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[Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

What would be your 1st and 2nd options

  • No Deal / TMs deal

    Votes: 46 14.0%

  • No Deal / Remain

    Votes: 18 5.5%

  • TMs deal / No deal

    Votes: 32 9.7%

  • TMs deal / Remain

    Votes: 14 4.3%

  • Remain / TMs deal

    Votes: 180 54.7%

  • Remain / No deal

    Votes: 39 11.9%
  • Total voters
    329


WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
25,809
Brian Parsons said:
I'm only quoting what I heard on a late night political show on BBC 2 the other night.

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Well could I respectfully suggest you go and read up about what we have submitted to the WTO and what USA, New Zealand, Argentina and about 20 others have said about our submissions.

Then, if you really think it's still a goer, see what Russia has said.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
49,975
Faversham
WATFORD zero said:
You only have a few weeks to wait for it to become obvious to the most stupid moron. (Well, I'm not sure about two profs, but you get the gist)
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'Two poofs', 'Chicken Shit' and 'prancing ninny' are all on my ignore list, along with the pretend socialist troll 'Enrest' so I don't read their relentless medaevil bully bollocks. In real life I haven't had to engage with such shittery for decades. The last one was a racist nob in our pub - everyone stopped talking to him. Several weeks later he noticed :lolol:
 


pastafarian

pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
WATFORD zero said:
Are you suggesting that immigration may be the reason behind your leave vote ???
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I wasnt suggesting anything except the nurse in question did not have the language skills to carry out her job properly. I wont compromise on my health on that subject.
You can read into it whatever you like. The check up was after the referendum.
 




BadFish

BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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blue-shifted said:
Well ... we will re-run general elections .... when there's next a general election .... and it's possible that some who votes will have changed their minds (or not turn up or are dead) and the result will be a different one. This is a well founded feature of democracy. The alternative of course is that we would still have the party that got elected in 1803.
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Exactly. Suggesting a second referendum is undemocratic is nonsense.

If there is sufficient evidence that the will of the people has shifted then measuring that shift is entirely appropriate.

Sticking with a decision dispite did evidence sounds more like a dictatorship to me.

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Super Steve Earle

Super Steve Earle

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Feb 23, 2009
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BadFish said:
Exactly. Suggesting a second referendum is undemocratic is nonsense.

If there is sufficient evidence that the will of the people has shifted then measuring that shift is entirely appropriate.

Sticking with a decision dispite did evidence sounds more like a dictatorship to me.

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Yes, but there is no evidence to suggest a shift. Parliament has remained staunchly Remain. The Remainers are the noisy losers in the referendum. The Brexiteers don't have to be out on the streets, because at the moment it's still happening. Oh, and if a further referendum should take place and the decision remains to leave, what then? The Remainers will continue to protest at the unfairness of it all.
 


BadFish

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Super Steve Earle said:
Yes, but there is no evidence to suggest a shift. Parliament has remained staunchly Remain. The Remainers are the noisy losers in the referendum. The Brexiteers don't have to be out on the streets, because at the moment it's still happening. Oh, and if a further referendum should take place and the decision remains to leave, what then? The Remainers will continue to protest at the unfairness of it all.
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This may be the case. However there is certainly plenty of evidence that the information voters used to make their choice was flawed. Added to that there is now plenty more information around what Brexit will now potentially look like. The paradigm around this discussion has certainly shifted enough to retest public opinion.

If it is the case that it is the noisy minority of remainer jumping up and down then a second vote would highlight this beyond doubt.

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pastafarian

pastafarian

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BadFish said:
Exactly. Suggesting a second referendum is undemocratic is nonsense.

If there is sufficient evidence that the will of the people has shifted then measuring that shift is entirely appropriate.

Sticking with a decision dispite did evidence sounds more like a dictatorship to me.

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There is nothing dictatorial about it. The only sufficient evidence of changing opinions you can possibly cite as conclusive would be the evidence of voting analysis from another referendum
The process is clear and defined. After deciding to Leave in accordance with our own constitutional requirements (the referendum)we shall give notice of our withdrawal. There then follows a two year period to negotiate the terms of withdrawal from the EU(extendable). There is no requirement either by the EU, by our own constitutional requirements or by Act of parliament to vote again during this process to see if we are really really really sure.
The decision has been taken by a democratic vote, Parliament democratically voted to allow this vote to take place and the decision to Leave must be allowed to reach its conclusion and we Leave the EU.
Campaign to rejoin after we have left by all means,Do not be fooled into thinking it is “more democracy” to ignore and overturn the democratic decision taken by the people before that decision reaches its natural conclusion. It really isn’t.
 




melias shoes

melias shoes

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Oct 14, 2010
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WATFORD zero said:
If I was you I wouldn't be hanging around on here just now. Not when there's contracts going for all those lorry parks at all the ports for your 'no deal' Brexit ?

You don't want those 'lazy foreigners' to get the contracts, do you?
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Don't be a moron all your life.
 




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Oct 8, 2003
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Faversham
melias shoes said:
I know it isn't an option

yet

And it's only a NSC poll

Fine?

Not really.

There is nothing to discuss.

We've had the poll Harry. Remember?

When you eat a cherry do you get 2 bites out of it?

Nope. Me neither.
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There is nothing to discuss??? On this chatsite, that's what we do.

In Parliament, well, correct me if I'm wrong but they seem to be having a bit of a chat. :shrug::rolleyes::thumbsup:

ps - when I eat a cherry I get several bites. You have to get the nasty stone heart out of it....
 


BadFish

BadFish

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pastafarian said:
There is nothing dictatorial about it. The only sufficient evidence of changing opinions you can possibly cite as conclusive would be the evidence of voting analysis from another referendum
The process is clear and defined. After deciding to Leave in accordance with our own constitutional requirements (the referendum)we shall give notice of our withdrawal. There then follows a two year period to negotiate the terms of withdrawal from the EU(extendable). There is no requirement either by the EU, by our own constitutional requirements or by Act of parliament to vote again during this process to see if we are really really really sure.
The decision has been taken by a democratic vote, Parliament democratically voted to allow this vote to take place and the decision to Leave must be allowed to reach its conclusion and we Leave the EU.
Campaign to rejoin after we have left by all means,Do not be fooled into thinking it is “more democracy” to ignore and overturn the democratic decision taken by the people before that decision reaches its natural conclusion. It really isn’t.
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The original referendum was non binding wasnt it?

I would suggest that to drive your prices that referendum was insufficient in detail.

Anyway Past I think we will need to agree to disagree here.

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pastafarian

pastafarian

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BadFish said:
The original referendum was non binding wasnt it?

I would suggest that to drive your prices that referendum was insufficient in detail.

Anyway Past I think we will need to agree to disagree here.

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The advisory nature of the referendum is irrelevant. The 1975 referendum was advisory too but the government in 1975 as in 2016 promised to abide by the outcome decision.
Can you imagine the uproar in 1975 if parliament had ignored the instruction given to it by the people to remain in and decided to Leave anyway.
 




drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
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Burgess Hill
pastafarian said:
There is nothing dictatorial about it. The only sufficient evidence of changing opinions you can possibly cite as conclusive would be the evidence of voting analysis from another referendum
The process is clear and defined. After deciding to Leave in accordance with our own constitutional requirements (the referendum)we shall give notice of our withdrawal. There then follows a two year period to negotiate the terms of withdrawal from the EU(extendable). There is no requirement either by the EU, by our own constitutional requirements or by Act of parliament to vote again during this process to see if we are really really really sure.
The decision has been taken by a democratic vote, Parliament democratically voted to allow this vote to take place and the decision to Leave must be allowed to reach its conclusion and we Leave the EU.
Campaign to rejoin after we have left by all means,Do not be fooled into thinking it is “more democracy” to ignore and overturn the democratic decision taken by the people before that decision reaches its natural conclusion. It really isn’t.
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A bit long winded! You bang on about there being no requirement but where does it say that you can't have a second referendum before end of the two year period?
 


BadFish

BadFish

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pastafarian said:
The advisory nature of the referendum is irrelevant. The 1975 referendum was advisory too but the government in 1975 as in 2016 promised to abide by the outcome decision.
Can you imagine the uproar in 1975 if parliament had ignored the instruction given to it by the people to remain in and decided to Leave anyway.
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I was only 1 in 1975 so won't comment on that.

I am yet to hear a decent argument for not having a second referendum. It will either show a change of mind from the public or put some meat on the bones of what they want from Brexit. Win win as far as I can see.



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Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
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pastafarian said:
I wasnt suggesting anything except the nurse in question did not have the language skills to carry out her job properly. I wont compromise on my health on that subject.
You can read into it whatever you like. The check up was after the referendum.
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The link I posted earlier was wef from 2014.

Was it a private checkup?
 
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melias shoes

melias shoes

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Oct 14, 2010
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BadFish said:
I was only 1 in 1975 so won't comment on that.

I am yet to hear a decent argument for not having a second referendum. It will either show a change of mind from the public or put some meat on the bones of what they want from Brexit. Win win as far as I can see.



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No not at all. 2nd bite of the cherry more like. Let's have another go. Pleeease. Nice try though.
 


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