[Politics] Vegan hardline communists

Thunder Bolt · Nov 26, 2018

Diablo said:
Eggs if not eaten = New life. A cow makes milk when calf born for calf. Bull calves from Dairy Cows are mainly reared for Beef . People milking cows or goats for milk cheese or butter can only do so if they take animals young away.

That's not true. One cow or one nanny goat per family provides for the calf/kid and a family. A lactating animal will produce more milk when more is drawn.
You don't think a six month old child takes the same amount of milk as a newborn do you? I have breastfed, so I know.

Herr Tubthumper · Nov 26, 2018

midnight_rendezvous said:
Agreed. All of Forest Green Rovers’ match day food is vegan.

So it is

http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...us-1901-Food-Thread-on-the-Road-Vegan-Special!

brightn'ove · Nov 26, 2018

Uncle Spielberg said:
It is just over 500 000 not 3 500 000

It grew from 500k in 2016 to 3.5 million in 2018

Thunder Bolt · Nov 26, 2018

Mustafa said:
Animals would stop being force bred for food and so the population would reduce to a minimum.

So to answer your question, what would happen to the animals if people stopped eating them... nothing, because they would not be brought into their unfortunate existance in the first place.

That's just a romantic idea. The animals would be destroyed as farmers couldn't afford to keep them as pets. There wouldn't be herds of wild cattle, except for rarer breeds.
There might be herds of sheep seeing as it doesn't hurt them to shear their wool.

brightn'ove · Nov 26, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
That's just a romantic idea. The animals would be destroyed as farmers couldn't afford to keep them as pets. There wouldn't be herds of wild cattle, except for rarer breeds.
There might be herds of sheep seeing as it doesn't hurt them to shear their wool.

I think people accept that it’s a long term benefit rather than a short term one. In the short term there is the issue of what to do with the remaining livestock, maybe one last hurrah for meat eaters? The benefit it would have to the environment would be absolutely worth it. I am Veggie not vegan but I accept that if we want to be serious about climate change we need to stop eating meat as a society.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Nov 26, 2018

Pathetic student posturing. Or virtue signalling as we must now call it. Gotta be a quite timid person to just sit there and just let these immature twats ruin your meal. And what were the staff doing while this BS was taking place?

banjo · Nov 26, 2018

If you like eating meat. Eat it. If you don’t. Don’t. Simple.

Thunder Bolt · Nov 26, 2018

brightn'ove said:
I think people accept that it’s a long term benefit rather than a short term one. In the short term there is the issue of what to do with the remaining livestock, maybe one last hurrah for meat eaters? The benefit it would have to the environment would be absolutely worth it. I am Veggie not vegan but I accept that if we want to be serious about climate change we need to stop eating meat as a society.

No leather for shoes and plastics are bad for the environment so we must learn to walk barefooted.

Surrey_Albion · Nov 26, 2018

WonderingSoton said:
This is just flat out incorrect.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273

Rodney Thomas · Nov 26, 2018

Anyone mentioned Simon Amstells film "Carnage" yet? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04sh6zg

Personally, I think it shows that eating using animals in the way we currently do is immoral. I found the bit about cow milk production to be particularly difficult to watch. However, I still eat meat and consume dairy. I've tried to limit it but I am very much aware that was I am doing in wrong in the context of the modern, global society we live in.

studio150 · Nov 26, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
Plants are living organisms, so you kill them by eating them.

Not only that, but many just kill flowers so that they watch them die in their living rooms while the flowers slowly die standing in a vase. How cruel is that.

Save the Flowers, Stop Flowers Suffering.

midnight_rendezvous · Nov 26, 2018

studio150 said:
Not only that, but many just kill flowers so that they watch them die in their living rooms while the flowers slowly die standing in a vase. How cruel is that.

Save the Flowers, Stop Flowers Suffering.

No reputable study has ever shown that plants can "feel pain". They lack the nervous system and brain necessary for this to happen. A plant can respond to stimuli, for example by turning towards the light or closing over a fly, but that is not the same thing as the immense suffering animals go through to satisfy human gluttony.

brightn'ove · Nov 26, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
No leather for shoes and plastics are bad for the environment so we must learn to walk barefooted.

Not an equivalency at all, and not a good argument. Usually your posts on here are well reasoned and informed, but your replies here are so wide of the mark. The ‘plants are living too’ argument is absolute nonsense.

Beef and lamb are the worst offenders, even if we just cut those out it would have an enormous impact.

rogersix · Nov 26, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/172...o-of-animals-screaming-in-central-steakhouse/

Not strictly communists but nearly facist like in their desire to impose their will upon others.

why does this bother you in melbourne?
i can't wrap my head round it

Guy Fawkes · Nov 26, 2018

Mustafa said:
Animals would stop being force bred for food and so the population would reduce to a minimum.

So to answer your question, what would happen to the animals if people stopped eating them... nothing, because they would not be brought into their unfortunate existance in the first place.

And what about the ones that already exist? We are not talking about a handful of animals, but millions
Are they to stop them breeding to prevent the next generation which would need somewhere to live, food, water, etc?

Thunder Bolt · Nov 26, 2018

brightn'ove said:
Not an equivalency at all, and not a good argument. Usually your posts on here are well reasoned and informed, but your replies here are so wide of the mark. The ‘plants are living too’ argument is absolute nonsense.

Beef and lamb are the worst offenders, even if we just cut those out it would have an enormous impact.

My comments on the plants was a joke as was the other poster, who saw it for what is was, and joked about watching flowers die in a vase.
Sense of humour failure.

I eat meat, I enjoy meat and don't feel any shame in eating meat, dairy or fish.

Guy Fawkes · Nov 26, 2018

Mustafa said:
Why would they be destroyed? It depends on your "the time that people stop eating meat" scenario. If it were outlawed, then farmers would have time to prepare for such an event. If it were just phased out over time as people stop eating it, then supply and demand would determine the gradual reduction of livestock being force bred for the purposes of consumption.

I can't think of a scenario where farmers would have to destroy all their livestock in one go.... but even if that were the case, that's what we're doing anyway...every day... by the millions... for our consumption...

Why would they be kept alive? and by whom? using what money?
Why would farmers want to continue to lose money on retaining their livestock, it's not like they could throw open the gates on their farms and let the animals roam free (they'll need grazing land, not just the same field they are in now, they need feed in the winter, they will likely need some veterinary treatment too, etc...

Because of this, most animals would just be destroyed and buried, just like the animals that were destroyed due to foot and mouth disease because of the financial reality of keeping these animals alive on their farms

You have an idealistic / noble way of thinking but sadly one that just won't work in the real world for so many reasons, often as a result of over simplified thinking on a subject

Thunder Bolt · Nov 26, 2018

Mustafa said:
Considering a vast majority of cows in particular are artificially inseminated, this wouldn't be much of an issue for them. But yes, preventing the introduction of males to a herd or brood would seem sensible in a scenario where you want to see a reduction in their population. Currently most males in most species of livestock are killed at birth, except the "lucky" ones that are to reproduce.

Not in a beef herd.

brightn'ove · Nov 26, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
I eat meat, I enjoy meat and don't feel any shame in eating meat, dairy or fish.

As did everyone that has ever given it up.

Guy Fawkes · Nov 26, 2018

Mustafa said:
Considering a vast majority of cows in particular are artificially inseminated, this wouldn't be much of an issue for them. But yes, preventing the introduction of males to a herd or brood would seem sensible in a scenario where you want to see a reduction in their population. Currently most males in most species of livestock are killed at birth, except the "lucky" ones that are to reproduce.

So forget about the future offspring, i'm asking what happens to the existing living livestock if everyone were to stop consuming meat or diary?

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