[Humour] Does Everyone Hate the English?

Tyrone Biggums said:

Boy, that's some revisionist history not based in fact.

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Bold Seagull said:

I'm not you can even say 'anymore', the history of the British Isles is one of continual flux of cultural, religious, political changes that has never really had one heritage or culture to relate to. What is English is an ideological concept that doesn't really have defining moment. Of course this isn't a negative, this continual state of flux, cultural, social, political evolution and going with it is probably itself as identifiable as an English trait through the ages.

Really interesting to see the science behind the conclusion that there was no 'Saxon Invasion' as history has always alluded to, there are no battle fields or anything to suggest any great conflicts, all we have is evidence of the Saxons coming over here, trading their fancy trinkets, settling in our towns, marrying our women, drinking our mead...

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Leighgull said:

OK TB. I’ll bite.

Could you spare a moment or two to point out the “revisionist” parts of my post? I really am interested.

Of course. You could be wrong.

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portlock seagull said:

It's the scale and circumstances of it though isn't it, since WW2? In previous centuries, people came in their hundreds or thousands not tens of millions. Nor did we have the technology to stay as connected to our roots as we can today so people don't necessarily integrate or identify with (because you don't need to in short) and consequently many nations aren't, literally, as mainly black or white, Christian or Muslim, or even Saxon or Iceni as they once were!

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Bold Seagull said:

I'll kick off with the 'we saved Europe from Nazism'.

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Bold Seagull said:

That is easy to say like that, but in context even in much less numbers, the state of flux and changes were still as profound. We can look back with our present context feel the changes aren't as dramatic, but of course through history some of the changes make a migrant influx we've experienced in recent history pale in comparison.

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portlock seagull said:

Go on...

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Bold Seagull said:

Well straight off the bat converting from a Catholic country to a Protestant one and back to Catholic makes a bit of migration seem like a cake walk if we're talking social / political / cultural change.

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Bold Seagull said:

I'll kick off with the 'we saved Europe from Nazism'.

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portlock seagull said:

But we did - Britain did not win the war, but we didn't lose it either so that others could in turn help overturn. Those pivotal moments in 1940, and there were many, amplify with the passage of time IMO rather than diminish. Our most significant contribution to WW2 was staying in the fight against all odds, politically and militarily.

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Leighgull said:

. I shagged a different bird EVERY night and the craic was massive.

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Leighgull said:

I didn’t say we did it ON OUR OWN but it might have escaped your notice that we joined the conflict in 1939 and the USA joined towards the end of 1941 after Hitler declared war on them.

We were not able to defeat the Germans unilaterally, but, neither were they able to. Defeat us. We had already broken the Axis in Northern Africa before The US joined.

We were sending convoys to Murmansk to assist the soviets, eventually supplying a badly needed 15% of their war materiels in their struggle.

To scoff at our contribution makes you ignorant either in practice or by design. I’m not sure what’s worse.

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Publius Ovidius said:

They think we are all mad.

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Bold Seagull said:

As above, a better choice of words may have conveyed your meaning more accurately, because that is exactly how that reads.

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Leighgull said:

I didn’t say we did it ON OUR OWN but it might have escaped your notice that we joined the conflict in 1939 and the USA joined towards the end of 1941 after Hitler declared war on them.

We were not able to defeat the Germans unilaterally, but, neither were they able to. Defeat us. We had already broken the Axis in Northern Africa before The US joined.

We were sending convoys to Murmansk to assist the soviets, eventually supplying a badly needed 15% of their war materiels in their struggle.

To scoff at our contribution makes you ignorant either in practice or by design. I’m not sure what’s worse.

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Bold Seagull said:

As above, a better choice of words may have conveyed your meaning more accurately, because that is exactly how that reads.

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Leighgull said:

OK. Er...thanks.

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Bold Seagull said:

A choice of rhetoric, while 'we helped save Europe from Nazism' is a small grammatical change from 'we saved Europe from Nazism', it is a big difference to what those statements define.

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Mellotron said:

Can't have gotten much purchase then?

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Rodney Thomas said:

Now, now. We all know it was the Greeks that won the war because they delayed the Germans invading Russia and the Nazis didn't pack their winter clothes.

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