[Football] "Hughton Out" on Radio 5 Live

The Antikythera Mechanism said:

Perhaps the club could organise some sort of forum where the experts, on here, could give CH the benefit of their knowledge and experience.I’m sure he would be appreciative.

Click to expand...

Bruntburger said:

Bring back Gus

Click to expand...

Stat Brother said:

In fairness to the caller, it is the only way you'll get on 6-0-6.

I'm sure the shows remit is:-

'appeal to the people who can't cope with the fact that they are actually TalkSpite listening simpletons'.

Click to expand...

Blue3 said:

Got to have been a Palarse Troll move on

Click to expand...

sussex_guy2k2 said:

Stylistically I think CH is too quick to drop his teams 15-20 yards. I think it puts us under immense pressure and we often lack the pace, particularly without Izzy, to get out, whilst this also has the effect of limiting our own pressing and isolating Murray. What is clear though is that there was a more obvious balance in the Championship. We were solid defensively but we had a stronger group of players relative to that division. The benefit of that is we often didn't push our defensive line back so far, at least until the final moments to see games out. We scored a large percentage of the goals you're talking about in that time when we were one of the dominant sides in that league. But even then, we were often slow to counter and often slowed the pace right down, allowing teams to get back in position - luckily, we had a fair bit of Knockaert and Murray magic to score the goals we needed to in tight games.

Last season, once we got going, was still quite balanced, despite the use of Gross as a number 10 meaning that we had 5 in midfield at times, again isolating Murray in away games in particular. This year however, we seem to have regressed and dropped deeper and deeper. This is inviting teams on us and with our often slow circulation of the ball, it allows better teams than us to easily reconfigure their defences before we've even got into their half. We've been lucky the 3 games previous to Everton, but I imagine that luck can't continue, at least not consistently. Eventually we have to try and attack teams to score a more regular supply of goals and to give our attacking players a chance to actually play to their potential (aside from Murray, who is performing at his absolute maximum to mask the stylistic issues and systemic deficiencies elsewhere). Of course there are risks to doing that, but there are massive risks the way we're playing at the moment by allowing good teams on to us all game every game.

So, for me, I don't enjoy the style we're playing this season and as a result I find the games tense, but without any fun - it simply isn't enjoyable to watch us play football at the moment, even with the recent results. We're not pragmatic anymore - we're defensive. They're two different things.

As to playing to our strengths, how is it playing to Izquierdo's strengths by having him sit on Bong all game, every game to cover him? How is it playing to Murray's strengths isolating him for large portions of games? How is it playing to Bruno's strengths when he's penned in all game? Or Dunk's when he only has Murray to aim at from the back? Or Kayal's when he's not pressing teams high, but he's pressing them 20 yards into our own half because the rest of the team is so deep? How is it playing to Knockaert's strengths when he has to beat 5 men and run 50 yards with the ball just to get near their box when he first receives it? I'm sorry, but this idea that he's playing to the team's strengths is rubbish - he's playing to Duffy and Bong's strengths - that's about it!

Click to expand...

bn9 bha said:

No, he’s a lifelong Albion fan, it’s been covered on this thread.
He’s even posted on this thread.

Click to expand...

bathseagull said:

Evening everyone, that was me on the radio earlier by the way. I initially called in because they were waffling on about this potential European super league nonsense and I wanted to talk about something that had actually happened. You’ve got to say something outlandish or they won’t put you on.

Anyway, much as I admire Hughton and obviously accept that he has done and continues to do a fantastic job I can’t help but feel frustrated when we opt to pass sideways or backwards when we have the opportunity to attack teams on the break. I’m talking about when we’ve been under pressure in our own box and the ball rebounds or gets cleared, ending up at the feet of Bong (if he doesn’t mis-control it) or Knockaert or March or Bissouma and we don’t just... attack. There’s no danger because all their players are in our half, and we’re bursting into theirs but we always slow it down, look sideways and then the opposition regroup and the opportunity is gone. It happened at Newcastle, at home to Wolves and today at Everton.

So, do I want Hughton to ‘step aside’? Not really. Would I like to see him be a little more positive now that we’ve clearly got a great defensive shape and are very tough to break down? Yes. Am I concerned that if we continue to ignore these opportunities to attack on the break we risk not scoring enough goals to keep us in the division? Maybe. And by the way, if we do get relegated it’s not really the end of the world.

So no, I’m not a Palace fan on a wind up and I’m not a kid and nor am I a recently arrived ‘jcl’. I’ve watched us at all four home grounds and up and down the country in all four divisions. The thing is, having got to the premier league and had a bit of a look I think it’s there for us to have a go at and maybe not just settle for the top 17 if Hughton can just release the reins a little bit now and again.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

AmexRuislip said:

I concur

Click to expand...

LamieRobertson said:

Was it Drew?

Click to expand...

bathseagull said:

Evening everyone, that was me on the radio earlier by the way. I initially called in because they were waffling on about this potential European super league nonsense and I wanted to talk about something that had actually happened. You’ve got to say something outlandish or they won’t put you on.

Anyway, much as I admire Hughton and obviously accept that he has done and continues to do a fantastic job I can’t help but feel frustrated when we opt to pass sideways or backwards when we have the opportunity to attack teams on the break. I’m talking about when we’ve been under pressure in our own box and the ball rebounds or gets cleared, ending up at the feet of Bong (if he doesn’t mis-control it) or Knockaert or March or Bissouma and we don’t just... attack. There’s no danger because all their players are in our half, and we’re bursting into theirs but we always slow it down, look sideways and then the opposition regroup and the opportunity is gone. It happened at Newcastle, at home to Wolves and today at Everton.

So, do I want Hughton to ‘step aside’? Not really. Would I like to see him be a little more positive now that we’ve clearly got a great defensive shape and are very tough to break down? Yes. Am I concerned that if we continue to ignore these opportunities to attack on the break we risk not scoring enough goals to keep us in the division? Maybe. And by the way, if we do get relegated it’s not really the end of the world.

So no, I’m not a Palace fan on a wind up and I’m not a kid and nor am I a recently arrived ‘jcl’. I’ve watched us at all four home grounds and up and down the country in all four divisions. The thing is, having got to the premier league and had a bit of a look I think it’s there for us to have a go at and maybe not just settle for the top 17 if Hughton can just release the reins a little bit now and again.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

Acker79 said:

....As for Hughton's style of play I think it is often frustrating. I certainly see us stop our counter attacks and seemingly wait for our opponents to get back into position too much. It was something that happened in the championship, too. It happens too frequently, over too much of his time with us to not point to Hughton on it. He's had time to sort it out, but hasn't. I think it's perfectly valid to complain about it, but don't think it's a reason to get rid of Hughton.

I

Click to expand...

1066familyman said:

Is that an apology then for calling him a "fan" in your opening post?

Click to expand...

giveusfalmerplease said:

Im particularly frustrated about Izzy - i think CH has definitely reined him in. I remember the clever 1-2-1 moves in our last season in the championship - some of the cleverest football i ever witnessed from an albion player - now - (Wolves game i think it was) he makes his runs and instead of shooting he puts the brakes on and exactly as u said, waits and then the opposition get back into the penalty area and Izzy has left it too late..I mean its not like we would have been under pressure if he missed...not scoring from an attacking position when half their player are behind him wont make the move a bad move..

Click to expand...

bn9 bha said:

No, he’s a lifelong Albion fan, it’s been covered on this thread.
He’s even posted on this thread.

Click to expand...