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There were various rumours doing the rounds at the time suggesting there was more to it than meets the eye.
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There were various rumours doing the rounds at the time suggesting there was more to it than meets the eye.
As pointed out in post #11, it's not defamatory. In this instance, we're perfectly safe speculating and mentioning names
However, that doesn't mean that we can write things like "I knew Mr X was a wrong un, some bloke told me in The Dog and Bollocks on Saturday night" You can only talk about what was said in court NOT anything else connected to the case.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Somewhat undermines the Police when they are trying to find someone on the run.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
It would also stop other victims coming forward. One of the reasons that there were some successful prosecutions for historic sexual assault instances is that the accuseds' names have been in the public domain. If it were reported that Mr X was being charged with sexual assault, it would mean nothing to the people who had also been assaulted by Mr X but who have told their stories to no-one.
Lenny Rider
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There isn't enough money for me to look after Mr Y, as it would be an insult to every other family I've ever looked after. How could I have him use the same Chapels of Rest as everyone we've cared for in the past and the future for that matter?
The death of Moors Murderer Ian Brady actually set a precedent, not only could they not find a funeral director to take on the arrangements but all the crematoriums in his locality and beyond refused to cremate him, and all the grave diggers would have been of the same mind.
As I understand it Brady was cremated on a government site and his ashes scattered out at sea, I would imagine in time it will be the same for the likes of Ian Huntley, Peter Suttcliffe, Levi Belfield, Roy Whiting, Mr Y and a few others.
Not Andy Naylor
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Correct. Some of them have resurfaced in court, as reported in the Argus today.
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Just a hunch here, Harty, but I'm going to take a punt that a vastly experienced court judge sitting on a high profile murder trial is going to be pretty clued up on what is and is not permissible within a murder trial.
Look at the Milly Dowler case. Levi Bellfield's QC spent a considerable amount of time trying to suggest that Bob Dowler was somehow linked to his daughter's disappearance, and the trial ended up being a horrific experience for her family, even with Bellfield's conviction. It's just the defence trying to cast any element of doubt they possibly can into the jury's minds. That tiny "but what if..?" could be enough to tip a juror or two into thinking they cannot be sure of a defendant's guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
Pinkie Brown
I'll look after the skirt
Assuming everyone is intimating to the same case, that would be Justice Sweeney?
The same judge who called the jury idiots (in more learned words) when the Vicky Pryce trial collapsed, due to the jury asking too many stupid questions during deliberation. I heard on good authority, Sweeney got smack over the knuckles for that. 
Barry Izbak
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Can anyone explain seriously, why it is anticipated that the trial of Mr Y will last for eight weeks!
It is the most obviously open and shut case since Messrs A & B were accused of stealing BHAFC in cahoots with Mr S.
Eight weeks?
Really?
At what cost?
Surely the court of NSC could deal with this case in a morning in Dicks Bar
It is the most obviously open and shut case since Messrs A & B were accused of stealing BHAFC in cahoots with Mr S.
Eight weeks?
Really?
At what cost?
Surely the court of NSC could deal with this case in a morning in Dicks Bar
Megazone
On his last warning
Nearly every other crime is either Mr X or Mr Y. How comes no one ever suspects Mr K or Mr B of anything?
Your aspersions against our current #11 and the Chairman are premature and potentially libellous.
Lenny Rider
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If by some miracle Mr Y was acquitted, at least we'd be spared him doing a Gerry Conlon outside the Old Bailey........
Not Andy Naylor
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If it is so open and shut, why wasn't Mr Y convicted first time round? Many fingers at the time pointed in a different direction, although the police were adamant that they had the right man.
Unless there's a guilty plea, all murder trials last a few weeks. There'll be a variety of reasons why this could be longer: there have already been a couple of days when the jury didn't sit as the judge had to hear legal arguments (possibly around the issues that the OP mentioned). But there will also be a lot of shorter interruptions during days when jurors are sitting. This case is particularly complicated because there's already been one trial and there needs to be significant new evidence. There was also a day lost when the jury came down to Wild Park.
If I were on trial for murder, I sincerely hope that my defence counsel would be able to speak up for me, call witnesses etc and not wait while a few boozers decide my fate.
Lenny Rider
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If my memory serves me correctly, an hour after the not guilty verdict in 1987 Sussex Police issued a statement saying they weren't looking for anyone else in connection with the murders.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
You only have to look at the Suzy Lamplugh case to see how the police can make a mess of an investigation. The book 'A Question of Evidence' about the case said that there was other suspects and not just the one man
They said exactly the same thing after the case was dropped against Colin Stagg for the murder of Rachel Nickell. They told he family that the murderer had got away with as they had the right man. It was a shocking case: Stagg's life was destroyed and the police officer who tried to entrap him suffered severe psychological damage.
So, I'd take anything the police say about guilt of murderers with a pinch of salt - that' what court cases are for.
Crispy Ambulance
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Ralph Haeems managed to convince the jury that the forensic evidence could be flawed due to possible contamination of evidence bags which weren't sealed.
Lenny Rider
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Mr Y clearly didn’t help his defence counsel with his performance in the witness box, but his former partner Ms Z makes another shocking allegation against Mr X.
If Mr X is totally innocent these allegations are potentially life changing, with no possibility of recompense or legal recourse, he will be forever tainted by what has been said in open court.
If having your daughter murdered wasn’t bad enough, he’s had to suffer character assassination to the extreme.
If Mr X is totally innocent these allegations are potentially life changing, with no possibility of recompense or legal recourse, he will be forever tainted by what has been said in open court.
If having your daughter murdered wasn’t bad enough, he’s had to suffer character assassination to the extreme.