[Albion] Murray’s head injury

chaileyjem · Oct 23, 2018

Driver8 said:
I’d suggest it had more to do with the weight of one of the stretcher bearers.

PS: Yes very funny.

by the way All St John Ambulance staff are volunteers (not sure if it was them on Saturday but they often are there at sporting events).
there are various vacancies in Sussex via
https://www.sja.org.uk/sja/volunteer/the-role-for-you/volunteer-vacancies---new/vacancy-details.aspx

Bold Seagull · Oct 23, 2018

chaileyjem said:
Latest on Glenn via >> http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?365486-Hughton-and-Injuries-tracker-2018-19/page11

or if you can't be bothered to click then the TLDR version is "not ruled out for Wolves" but probably still unlikely.
https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/17...enn-murrays-return-in-hands-of-medical-staff/

Good to see the Argus still perpetuating the myth that you can 'swallow' your tongue.

chaileyjem · Oct 23, 2018

Bold Seagull said:
Good to see the Argus still perpetuating the myth that you can 'swallow' your tongue.

Yes. But I think you know and they know , that shorthand for saying the tongue got in the way of his breathing when he was knocked out.

Bold Seagull · Oct 23, 2018

chaileyjem said:
Yes. But I think you know and they know , that shorthand for saying the tongue got in the way of his breathing when he was knocked out.

But they should also know that the medical profession, first aid training and everyone else campaigns for dropping the term because it leads to people sticking their fingers in people's mouths or other objects in the false belief that someone has actually swallowed their tongue, rather than knowing that the tongue has actually just gone limp and all you need to do is tilt the head back while bringing the chin up. It is shorthand that has led to many bodged attempts at first aid.

chaileyjem · Oct 23, 2018

Bold Seagull said:
But they should also know that the medical profession, first aid training and everyone else campaigns for dropping the term because it leads to people sticking their fingers in people's mouths or other objects in the false belief that someone has actually swallowed their tongue, rather than knowing that the tongue has actually just gone limp and all you need to do is tilt the head back while bringing the chin up. It is shorthand that has led to many bodged attempts at first aid.

Well i've no idea if they know or not. I guess they are just reporting what they've been told in good faith. In this case by, i guess, Paul Barber.

Gazwag · Oct 23, 2018

Bodian said:
I must say, I was pretty annoyed with the stretcher bearers just ambling on when everyone on the pitch was urging them to hurry up. Kayal (i think) just went and grabbed it in the end. Surely they're better trained than this?

Since when has a stretcher been a life saving piece of equipment

LeicesterGull · Oct 23, 2018

Bold Seagull said:
But they should also know that the medical profession, first aid training and everyone else campaigns for dropping the term because it leads to people sticking their fingers in people's mouths or other objects in the false belief that someone has actually swallowed their tongue, rather than knowing that the tongue has actually just gone limp and all you need to do is tilt the head back while bringing the chin up. It is shorthand that has led to many bodged attempts at first aid.

Couldn't agree more. I did wander whether players receive basic first aid training on this - although with the medical staff on call I suppose its best to leave it to the professionals. As a grassroots coach I've completed the necessary course, just hope I never have to apply any of my learnings.

BensGrandad · Oct 23, 2018

AZ Gull said:
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Is that supposed to be clever or just taking the p..s?

chaileyjem · Oct 23, 2018

Plooks said:
Can we take that report seriously though? "Swallowed his tongue" LOL!

Which bit is LOL.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2018

Bold Seagull said:
But they should also know that the medical profession, first aid training and everyone else campaigns for dropping the term because it leads to people sticking their fingers in people's mouths or other objects in the false belief that someone has actually swallowed their tongue, rather than knowing that the tongue has actually just gone limp and all you need to do is tilt the head back while bringing the chin up. It is shorthand that has led to many bodged attempts at first aid.

The problem with tilting the head back when someone has just fallen awkwardly, is that they may have done damage to their neck when they fell.

chaileyjem · Oct 23, 2018

Mustafa said:
I think he's referring to the fact that it's medically impossible to swallow your tongue. It is bad journalism to be fair, but not especially funny.

And as i've said earlier in the thread, then i think we know what is meant by it. (regardless of whether it should be phrased differently, impact on emergency aid training etc) . And agreed its not funny.

Bold Seagull · Oct 23, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
The problem with tilting the head back when someone has just fallen awkwardly, is that they may have done damage to their neck when they fell.

Obviously you have established they are not breathing before proceeding, and if they are breathing, then you can be cautious in not moving the person until proper help arrives and a qualified person can make an assessment because their life is not under threat at that point.

If they are not breathing however, then compounding a spinal or neck injury is a secondary issue because if you don't act fast they will almost certainly die. It's as simple as that.

Bodian · Oct 23, 2018

Gazwag said:
Since when has a stretcher been a life saving piece of equipment

Yes - but as I posted earlier, strolling on when all the players are that agitated simply doesn't create a very good impression. Whether it was useful or not. However, in some circumstances, the quicker they get there, the quicker the injured gets off the pitch into an ambulance, and the quicker they get to hospital. It all depends on what the issue is, and none of us in the ground knew.

zefarelly · Oct 23, 2018

Is it possible that concussion could cause some kind of cranial realignment whereby once you recover, you can run faster? Or turn a defender and shoot before having a sit down, fingers crossed for a free kick? ;-)

Sheebo · Oct 23, 2018

Mustafa said:
I think he's referring to the fact that it's medically impossible to swallow your tongue. It is bad journalism to be fair, but not especially funny.

I was once told the same about ‘slipped disc’ - there’s not actually such a thing?!

zefarelly · Oct 23, 2018

Does the tongue not roll over backwards and block the airway?
I recall an epileptic fit on the playground at school once and someone came running out with a spoon to hold his tongue down . . . This was about 1979!

Chuggy12 · Oct 23, 2018

Anyone got the video of him landing after the headclash?

Wellesley · Oct 23, 2018

Gazwag said:
Since when has a stretcher been a life saving piece of equipment

The Battle of the Somme? Probably long before, but you get my point.

Albion my Albion · Oct 23, 2018

Albion my Albion said:
whoo hooo! 4,444 posts!

Should I stop for a couple of weeks---take an International break to coincide with my trip to Chicago?

4,455, nice!

Bold Seagull · Oct 23, 2018

zefarelly said:
Does the tongue not roll over backwards and block the airway?
I recall an epileptic fit on the playground at school once and someone came running out with a spoon to hold his tongue down . . . This was about 1979!

Exactly what you shouldn't do! Exactly the reason people don't want to use the term swallowing your tongue because people end up putting things like spoons in people's mouths. Honestly, putting a metal object into someone's mouth while they're having a fit or siezure, madness really.

Anyone witnessing someone having a fit and someone else is trying to put something in their mouth, PLEASE STOP THEM! Best thing you can do is roll them onto their side, get a cushion for their head, and make sure they're safe and can't injure themselves on anything nearby, don't try to stop or restrain them either.

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