[News] Twenty Members of a Grooming Gang Convicted

Withdean11 · Oct 23, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
Where are the usual suspects condemning this paedophile gang?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...mbers-paedophile-gang-jailed?CMP=share_btn_tw

Of course everyone condemns these, all paedophiles are scum. You won't find anyone disagreeing with you there. But what is your point? Does this dis-prove that there is a problem with grooming gangs within the 'Asian' community? No, of course it doesn't.

As i stated, 84% of grooming gangs are described as Asian. Only 8% of the population are 'Asian'. Compare that with with 86% of the population being white but making up less than 16% of grooming gangs.

Purely coincidence though, right?

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2018

spence said:
Maybe because there are more British white people in the UK? Please don't defend the indefensible. There is a huge problem with Asian grooming gangs. It's also religiously motivated

Where am I defending the indefensible? I am condemning all the cases, unlike some people on this board.

spence · Oct 23, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
Where am I defending the indefensible? I am condemning all the cases, unlike some people on this board.

I don't think you grasp the severity of this and why it's happening on a huge scale, Instead you are finding cases involving single/pairs of white males in a predominately white country to to make some moral point. You will always get scumbags like this.
These Asians grooming rings are a massive worry. Just looking at that picture should send shockwaves through the UK.

Bold Seagull · Oct 23, 2018

spence said:
I don't think you grasp the severity of this and why it's happening on a huge scale, Instead you are finding cases involving single/pairs of white males in a predominately white country to to make some moral point. You will always get scumbags like this.
These Asians grooming rings are a massive worry. Just looking at that picture should send shockwaves through the UK.

You are right, but what you don't grasp is that rhetoric such as 'religiously motivated' doesn't help the issue. Extremism is what it is, extreme, a fundamental interpretation of doctrines that moderates simply don't follow, believe or condemn. It should send shockwaves through the UK, but not through the vilification of 2.8million largely innocent law abiding people. If we can isolate extremism from mainstream moderate religion then we can hopefully have the political confidence to deal with the issues. Discriminating against an entire religion isn't going to achieve that.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2018

spence said:
I don't think you grasp the severity of this and why it's happening on a huge scale, Instead you are finding cases involving single/pairs of white males in a predominately white country to to make some moral point. You will always get scumbags like this.
These Asians grooming rings are a massive worry. Just looking at that picture should send shockwaves through the UK.

The case I quoted today involved five males one of whom was from Sussex. Read it.

I worked for the CPS before I retired so I am well aware of the severity of it in this country. Far more than most on here.

spence · Oct 23, 2018

Bold Seagull said:
You are right, but what you don't grasp is that rhetoric such as 'religiously motivated' doesn't help the issue. Extremism is what it is, extreme, a fundamental interpretation of doctrines that moderates simply don't follow, believe or condemn. It should send shockwaves through the UK, but not through the vilification of 2.8million largely innocent law abiding people. If we can isolate extremism from mainstream moderate religion then we can hopefully have the political confidence to deal with the issues. Discriminating against an entire religion isn't going to achieve that.

That old trap you have fallen into about moderate and extremism. No such thing. It's just Islam and if you follow the scripture of Islam it justifies this. Just as why thousands and thousands want to be martyred through what Islam teaches. It's not a case of discriminating an entire religion. It preaches such things so how can you isolate it ?

spence · Oct 23, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
The case I quoted today involved five males one of whom was from Sussex. Read it.

I worked for the CPS before I retired so I am well aware of the severity of it in this country. Far more than most on here.

I can't be arsed. Law of averages as i have already pointed out

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2018

spence said:
I can't be arsed. Law of averages as i have already pointed out

Law of averages? This gang groomed a mother and father before the baby was born. Vile and depraved and it is going on around us.

Sheebo · Oct 23, 2018

spence said:
That old trap you have fallen into about moderate and extremism. No such thing. It's just Islam and if you follow the scripture of Islam it justifies this. Just as why thousands and thousands want to be martyred through what Islam teaches. It's not a case of discriminating an entire religion. It preaches such things so how can you isolate it ?

Very similar to the points Tommy Robinson makes about Islam. I personally have no problem with people peacefully believing what they want to but my understanding of all religions is that they are littered with racism, sexism, homophobia etc etc and essentially that can preach hate to what is mean to be something of inner peace.

GT49er · Oct 23, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
Where are the usual suspects condemning this paedophile gang?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...mbers-paedophile-gang-jailed?CMP=share_btn_tw

You've just arrived!

Shocking case, absolute scumbags, should be jailed for life. People like them make me feel sick, as do the people this thread is about. Starting a separate thread about it would have been a better idea.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2018

GT49er said:
You've just arrived!

Shocking case, absolute scumbags, should be jailed for life. People like them make me feel sick, as do the people this thread is about. Starting a separate thread about it would have been a better idea.

Just arrived? Post #7 was by me. Yes people like them make me sick too.

spence · Oct 23, 2018

sheebo said:
Very similar to the points Tommy Robinson makes about Islam. I personally have no problem with people peacefully believing what they want to but my understanding of all religions is that they are littered with racism, sexism, homophobia etc etc and essentially that can preach hate to what is mean to be something of inner peace.

The points made by Douglas Murray also, Not forgetting other Muslims who say there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

portlock seagull · Oct 23, 2018

spence said:
I don't think you grasp the severity of this and why it's happening on a huge scale, Instead you are finding cases involving single/pairs of white males in a predominately white country to to make some moral point. You will always get scumbags like this.
These Asians grooming rings are a massive worry. Just looking at that picture should send shockwaves through the UK.

Yep, this is the point Nizir Afzal was making last week on radio when this gang were the days headline story: serious problem within British Asian-ethnic communities and their abuse of white girls, blind eye turned towards it etc. Night time economy a major factor.

Bold Seagull · Oct 23, 2018

spence said:
That old trap you have fallen into about moderate and extremism. No such thing. It's just Islam and if you follow the scripture of Islam it justifies this. Just as why thousands and thousands want to be martyred through what Islam teaches. It's not a case of discriminating an entire religion. It preaches such things so how can you isolate it ?

spence said:
The points made by Douglas Murray also, Not forgetting other Muslims who say there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

Strange that one minute you say I've fallen into a trap, then quote Douglas Murray who also says "there are a considerable number of reasons to be fearful of some—though certainly not all—aspects and versions of Islam", and acknowledges that discriminating against an entire religion has led to a politically crippled debate due to fear of being labelled racist. It prevents debate the likes of Christopher Hitchens would try to engage in, but can't get through the main stream desire to give the likes of Robinson a platform rather than a man who's intellect far outstripped most people on the planet.

If you don't think you can isolate what creates an extremist, and there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, what solution is there for 1.8billion people? There is no discourse that can be started from this position. It is utterly self defeating.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2018

portlock seagull said:
Yep, this is the point Nizir Afzal was making last week on radio when this gang were the days headline story: serious problem within British Asian-ethnic communities and their abuse of white girls, blind eye turned towards it etc. Night time economy a major factor.

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Mackenzie · Oct 23, 2018

Catch them, shoot them.

portlock seagull · Oct 23, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
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If your point is ‘it’s not just British-Asian’ (and I note on many threads you seem especially defensive of any criticism towards any minority), that wasn’t Nizir’s point. He was talking about gang abuse and how it’s disportionaltely prevalent in this ethnic minority group. It’s ok to say this, no need to get defensive at this fact. It’s how it’ll get sorted, you know, by calling it out, not being scared of being called racist etc. Of course I’m no expert, but Nizir is and that’s why I was interested in his findings and comments on the radio that day last week.

cunning fergus · Oct 23, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
I agree, but you know my point. As I have said before there are more British paedophiles going through the court system than Asian but the usual suspects and SYL supporters would have you believe it is all one sided.

All of them are evil wicked men, no matter what their ethnicity.

Maybe not ethnicity, but there are perpetrators that were born here and perpetrators that have moved here.....

Up in Newcastle they are still investigating this kind of shit and are deporting 550, that is just from Tyneside.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/new...ation-sanctuary-550-face-deportation-14625320

Free unfettered movement of people may have benefits but it also has problems. These problems are of course being burdened by typically vulnerable working class girls, not girls from Cheltenham ladies college, Roedean or Benenden.

Only when the victims are from the establishment will we see any change.........people’s vote my arse.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2018

portlock seagull said:
If your point is ‘it’s not just British-Asian’ (and I note on many threads you seem especially defensive of any criticism towards any minority), that wasn’t Nizir’s point. He was talking about gang abuse and how it’s disportionaltely prevalent in this ethnic minority group. It’s ok to say this, no need to get defensive at this fact. It’s how it’ll get sorted, you know, by calling it out, not being scared of being called racist etc. Of course I’m no expert, but Nizir is and that’s why I was interested in his findings and comments on the radio that day last week.

My quote from Nazir, is to target the abuse not the community. Of course the victims should be listened to. That's where the problem lay.

sydney · Oct 24, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
I agree, but you know my point. As I have said before there are more British paedophiles going through the court system than Asian but the usual suspects and SYL supporters would have you believe it is all one sided.

All of them are evil wicked men, no matter what their ethnicity.

well....SUPPOSEDLY there are only 2 million muslims in England....according to official number , i think most would admit this is a mockery of the true figure , so you are talking about a population of approx 18 million white men of potential offending age against , using official figures, 600,00 muslim men of potential offending age so there fore there are , according to official figures 30 x more white men than there are muslim men , so it stands to reason that there are more white offenders.

when you look at it as a percentage of supposed " official figures" then it paints a rather different picture don't you think.....??

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