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    Have you ever resorted to vigilantism out of frustration with a lack of police response?


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    Just been watching channel 4's Dispatches on "Lawless Britain" which highlights the Police's policy of "screening out" crime which means there is a certain percentage within each category of crime which each police force simply don't investigate due to budget cuts and lack of resources. For instance official figures reveal that Sussex Police routinely "screen out" 50% of all reported burglaries.

    Police forces actively encourage victims of crime to do their own detective work, gathering evidence
    such as cctv footage etc. The problem is even after a victim has gathered really strong cctv or other evidence on the police's behalf, the police still dont pursue the reported crime which leaves the victim extremely frustrated after all the work they've put in trying to make the police's job easier.

    Being on the end of such a lack of police response must drive a lot of people to vigilantism which only perpetuates more crime being committed, possibly by the original victim. Ironically it can be the case that the police will then respond to the crime committed by the original victim, but still ignore the original crime which provoked the victim's reaction, which was also provoked by the police's lack of action to the crime committed against them.

    Have you ever resorted to vigilantism or seriously considered vigilantism as a result of being a victim of crime or being close to someone who was?

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      Just been watching channel 4's Dispatches on "Lawless Britain" which highlights the Police's policy of "screening out" crime which means there is a certain percentage within each category of crime which each police force simply don't investigate due to budget cuts and lack of resources. For instance official figures reveal that Sussex Police routinely "screen out" 50% of all reported burglaries.

      Police forces actively encourage victims of crime to do their own detective work, gathering evidence
      such as cctv footage etc. The problem is even after a victim has gathered really strong cctv or other evidence on the police's behalf, the police still dont pursue the reported crime which leaves the victim extremely frustrated after all the work they've put in trying to make the police's job easier.

      Being on the end of such a lack of police response must drive a lot of people to vigilantism which only perpetuates more crime being committed, possibly by the original victim. Ironically it can be the case that the police will then respond to the crime committed by the original victim, but still ignore the original crime which provoked the victim's reaction, which was also provoked by the police's lack of action to the crime committed against them.

      Have you ever resorted to vigilantism or seriously considered vigilantism as a result of being a victim of crime or being close to someone who was?

      http://www.channel4.com/info/press/n...l-4-dispatches
      Considered it on a few occasions and had the options to get it done. Realised that it really wouldn't be worth it. Decent people generally have more to lose than the scumbags unfortunately.
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      I live overseas, but own a place in the UK that is rented out. Our new tenant has started operating an illegal AirBnB out of the apt - against leasing terms and in violation of apt building policy. Then, in July he stopped paying rent. Tried to address this all with him and he threatened to sue us for harassment. Now having to start the long slow and expensive legal process to evict... Have genuinely considered sending in the 'heavies'...
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      I live overseas, but own a place in the UK that is rented out. Our new tenant has started operating an illegal AirBnB out of the apt - against leasing terms and in violation of apt building policy. Then, in July he stopped paying rent. Tried to address this all with him and he threatened to sue us for harassment. Now having to start the long slow and expensive legal process to evict... Have genuinely considered sending in the 'heavies'...
      Don’t. If you do that you may as well hand him the deeds to the property. Get him out legally then go after the money.
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      I live overseas, but own a place in the UK that is rented out. Our new tenant has started operating an illegal AirBnB out of the apt - against leasing terms and in violation of apt building policy. Then, in July he stopped paying rent. Tried to address this all with him and he threatened to sue us for harassment. Now having to start the long slow and expensive legal process to evict...
      Er, just book the place via AirBnB, he leaves, you go in, change the locks. You don't need to evict, he's not there.
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      Er, just book the place via AirBnB, he leaves, you go in, change the locks. You don't need to evict, he's not there.
      If he shrugs and says the game’s up and leaves it at that ,fine. If he’s got a valid tenancy then that counts as an illegal eviction and the owner will get in deep doo doo.
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      If he shrugs and says the game’s up and leaves it at that ,fine. If he’s got a valid tenancy then that counts as an illegal eviction and the owner will get in deep doo doo.
      Well he doesn't have to leave, as he's already left and taken his stuff, as he's let it out. His 'valid tenancy' may also be null and void as he's broken the terms of the contract. You're not making someone homeless, they're not there.

      Also, there's the option that the owner doesn't do it himself, but has a friend go in. If the friend does that and changes the locks, what is the other law breaking tenant to do?
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      Well he doesn't have to leave, as he's already left and taken his stuff, as he's let it out. His 'valid tenancy' may also be null and void as he's broken the terms of the contract. You're not making someone homeless, they're not there.
      That’s not how tenancy agreements work unfortunately. The owner has got indesputable grounds for a legal eviction, he’s more than two months in arrears and he’s broken the terms of the tenancy. He could be out in a couple of months but there has to be due process. You can’t just change the locks in the hopes he’ll accept it and slink off quietly.
      It’s disgusting how people can get away with this but at this point in the proceedings the tenant has the law on his side.
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      I live overseas, but own a place in the UK that is rented out. Our new tenant has started operating an illegal AirBnB out of the apt - against leasing terms and in violation of apt building policy. Then, in July he stopped paying rent. Tried to address this all with him and he threatened to sue us for harassment. Now having to start the long slow and expensive legal process to evict... Have genuinely considered sending in the 'heavies'...
      Had a situation with a tenant in our rented house years ago where they (her and the on off boyfriend) were causing tons of grief for local residents and were basically a nightmare. Police called loads of times, blacklisted by taxi firms, never paid any bills, fighting in the street etc.

      When we declined to extend their contract (fortunately only six months) we got a big rock chucked at our living room window one evening. My son was about six months old at the time and had the rock smashed the window (broke both panes of the double glazing but didn't get through) the glass/rock would have hit him.

      Plod were useless, obviously, and in the heat of the moment I seriously considered making a few calls. Sense prevailed. It would have been easy but who knows what would have happened subsequently.

      It's so frustrating that scum who know how to play the system can be allowed to **** things up for normal decent folk. But it's not worth risking everything to do the right thing.

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      It's a 2-bed place. He is still there - just lets out the spare room. Think it'll have to be the legal process, but would love to catch up with him later and ask about the 6-9 months rent or whatever it'll end up being...

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