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Its scary the amount of money spent keeping the NHS running.
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[Politics] Tory party annual conference Birmingham
- Thread starter Thunder Bolt
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Its scary the amount of money spent keeping the NHS running.
Nobody can be bothered to turn up for Hammond's speech, do you blame them
Hall is half full. As always, Labours figures don't add up under scrutiny.
I’m not sure what your point is. You and your employer pay x percent and if your salary is such that you can get private health insurance cheaper than your public contributions you can take this option instead. Below 60k it’s mandatory to take public in permanent employment.
Either way it’s streets ahead.
I agree. It’s very worrying. I dread to think how many unnecessary deaths occur due to underfunding. It needs to be increased significantly.
blue-shifted
Banned
There’s a fair bit of waste in the NHS as I’m sure there is in all organisations of that size. Different departments mostly looking after their own budgets at the expense of the bigger picture, again like most big organisations. Culturally there doesn’t seem to be much of a value for money ethos, certainly in procurement.
However … there’s not many people that would agree that the NHS has enough funding. The question is what are we prepared to pay for? It needs, I think, an extra 4% per year to stay still. It would probably need a 15% uplift to bring it to parity with comparable European countries. Even Jezza would baulk at that
However … there’s not many people that would agree that the NHS has enough funding. The question is what are we prepared to pay for? It needs, I think, an extra 4% per year to stay still. It would probably need a 15% uplift to bring it to parity with comparable European countries. Even Jezza would baulk at that
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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point was to answer your question, and agree with you. if we want a better health service we and tax payers need to putting in more, and accept more private provision of healthcare. just like Germany, France and all the other countries we compare unfavorably with. no point just saying "spend more" without being honest where that comes from or being flexible about how its provided.
McTavish
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- Nov 5, 2014
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My point is not a party political one, it is not a comment on the policy one way or the other. I just think that this is the sort of thing that should be dealt with by a junior minister - not the PM; it seems like a rather cack-handed attempt at populism when she should be concentrating on more important things...
For the avoidance of doubt, if it was a Labour policy then they should be pleased that it is being implemented...
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
It’s the usual Tory way to privatisation, underfund a state owned asset, until it is so bad, Joe public becomes fed up with its failures.
Blame the staff/ management/unions, insist the only way to ‘save’ it , is privatisation, sell it of to your rich mates/ Tory party contributors in the cheap.
Job done.
It’s what they did with the railway, water, gas, etc.
I’m saying we need to tax people more.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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oh. so we just spend more on an inefficient system? doesn't seem very productive.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
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They weren't 'speaking' against, according to your text they VOTED AGAINST their own party. Not surprised that the party decided that they shouldn't be in the party if they are not with the party really.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
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So no politician is allowed a conscience any more. Do as your betters tell you, even if you don't agree. Blind faith eh?
Never mind what the people wanted, who voted for them.
I didn't realise we were a dictatorship.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
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Not heard of a 'three line whip' in Politics?
Members voting against their own party is nothing new though. This is just bullying, pure and simple.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
- Thread starter
- #135
Yes, but that isn't mandatory. You can have the whip removed without being expelled from the party.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
- Thread starter
- #136
R&D isn’t cheap.
Have relatives in Germany who always moan how much there health care cost. Are you saying it is free
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