darkwolf666
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Point taken...
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[Albion] A New Low for Govia
- Thread starter Lower West Stander
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Point taken...
But you're right being abusive isn't the way to go about the debate either, and something else that pisses me off when others so it. I'm sorry for doing that.
Gatwick.
I have a vague recollection that [MENTION=314]Arthur[/MENTION] mentioned them somewhere or other.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,306
Yes. but the nature of the nationalisation is a glorious f### up of the Conservative party, as guilty of dogma driven disasters as the far left.
For me private v public is a red herring, it's when you try to mix them it never works. You generally end up with "private" motivated management looking over "public" motivated staff which is a toxic mix.
What we've no ended up with is rubbish public politicians in control of rubbish private management and a workforce on the whole trying to make sense of the mess.
Well done John Major.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
do the time do the crime ....if lusty hamlets will have unprotected sex then they run the risk of putting a bun in the oven , it doesn't detract from the fact that uniformed jobsworths make my piss boil.
Pickles
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- May 5, 2014
- 1,315
TLO, is this the new you, where you don't actually slag someone off outright, but try to do it smugly?
You and stat bore should do a radio show sometime.
Arthur
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Cannot be bothered in hindsight.
Of course it is, but I don't recall Labour doing anything to unwind that particular shambles in the 13 (THIRTEEN) years they were in power, a pre-austerity time in which the country probably could have done something about it.
The Large One
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Top bantz,hun. Lol.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,300
they did nationalise the rail infrastructure.
The Large One
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But it transcends party politics as well. You could hardly accuse Blair's Labour of being socialist or a party of nationalisation.
What Grayling has done - deliberately - in running GTR as a contract rather than a franchise is try to make the point to people who can't walk, talk and chew gum at the same time without falling over that running the trains from central government is a disaster etc., and that therefore privatised state theft - sorry, railways - is the only solution.
There are also people who have convinced themselves that returning the railways to the state will be a return to the 'bad old days of the 1970s', as if privatisation and 'bad old days' are the only options going forward.
However, this then leaves Labour in a bit of a quandry, as they have to convince people that state-ownership of the railways is what's desired. The majority - who have expressed a view - favour renationalisation. However, we would be merely replacing one unaccountable leviathan with another. So it's a case of what nationalisation would look like.
What is required, I'd suggest, is a body where everyone is accountable, not so much for how things are implemented (that does require experts) but on having a say when things go wrong, and how to resolve them. It would have to be done from central government (rightyl or wrongly - private franchisees just wouldn't allow that level of scrutiny from the public) with a kind of devolved administration, for which the Secretary of State must still be the ultimate person responsible.
While there will still be cocks-up - there always are - from there, accountability, and hopefully resolvable action would become the norm, rather than pitiful blame-laying and finger-pointing.