BensGrandad
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Rev David Shepherd played no cricket at all but was brought out of retirement and scored about 90 IIRC. as I said form is temporary class is not..
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[Cricket] England v India. Third Test. 18-22 Aug. Trent Bridge. (Curran dropped for Stokes).
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Moeen Ali has just compiled a patient 219 for Worcester. That's roughly the volume of runs that Banger's 'permanent class' has racked up all summer.
BensGrandad
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That is what we need patience and build an innings a la Boycott Tavare etc.Perhaps Moeen Ali could be the answer and also a spin a bowler perhaps worth another try instead of Rashid.
Greg Bobkin
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Boycs is recovering from quadruple bypass surgery at the moment but I'm sure he'll be ok for the final test. No harm in chucking young Beefy in though, although it'd have to be as a specialist batsman as we've too many all-rounders.Maybe bring him back then? And Beefy while we're at it
BensGrandad
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Boycott and Tavare are the type of batsmen we need to produce but that is unlikely with the emphasis being on village green cricket.
Marshy
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Those days are long gone. you have to score at a decent rate these days in all forms.
I think I would turn off now If I had to watch Boycott and Tavare.
BG is obviously wrong that we need a batsman in the mould of Boycott or Tavare, because the game has indeed moved on. However it isn't true to say that you (always) need to score at a quicker pace, now. There still are occasions like today where occupying the crease for a lengthy innings is the order of the day. Nobody wants a player whose default style is to block four balls every over and leave the other two, but we need a player or two who are CAPABLE of doing so on the odd occasion when it is required.
(Though FWIW, Stokes and Buttler's current unbeaten partnership of 111 across 37 overs, has been pretty watchful.)
...............................just waiting for your post saying how well Buttler (67 off 115) and Stokes (42 of 111) - probably the two best 'village green' (as you keep describing short form) cricketers in the test team - have patiently built decent innings and batted through a session.
The days of teams batting all day for 235-3 are long gone - you won't see much batting the like of Tavare or Boycott again.
BensGrandad
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Boycott and Tavare and before them Trevor Bailey were the batsmen for purist to watch. We have nobody who can occupy the crease for 6 hours other than possibly Cook. Buttler and Stokes have done well while all around them have floundered badly.
LOL...............Tavare was HORRENDOUS for ANYONE to watch (including in County Cricket - I saw him at Somerset loads of times). He eventually got dropped by England for playing TOO SLOW. He made a couple of hundreds in about 30 tests. Think it was in India once he scored 30-odd in about 6 hours.
BensGrandad
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It was his technique that was for the purists.
Could we not do with him or similar coming in when the next wicket falls, with a similar partner?
He'd never have been no 7, he was an opener. And no I don't think so - if we had people like him playing now people would stop watching. His overall technique wasn't actually for the purist at all - maybe just his 'leave' and his dead-bat prod were though. Found some details of the innings I was thinking of (from an article in Spectator) - it was in Madras :
"He and Gooch put on 155 runs for the first wicket. Gooch scored 127 of them. Tavaré, bless him, spent five and a half hours chiselling out 35 runs. It took him 240 deliveries – three of which he hit to the boundary – to get that far, a scoring rate of 14 runs per hundred balls. Do you know how difficult it is to bat like that? In six Indian tests that winter Tavaré scored 349 runs and it only took him 1,601 minutes to get them."
BensGrandad
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I think that he batted at no 5 a few times but could be wrong. Perhaps I should have said him coming in instead of Root and Pope.with them to follow after he had ground their bowlers down.
Think he was always in the top 3 in tests - often 3 behind Gooch and Boycs, then opening when Boycs retired but also playing at 3 depending on who the selectors were fiddling about with at the time (Randall, Cook, Fowler, Smith etc)
100 up for Buttler, 150 partnership too. Well played - even if it is in vain.
BensGrandad
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He says his preferred position was No 3.
BensGrandad
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IF they are both still there at the close who knows what can happen.
Hang on. Is Chris Tavare sat with you!?