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[Politics] Why isn't there a 'Straight Pride'?



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nickbrighton said:
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.
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I mostly agree. What was once a festival of self determination has become a festival of self indulgence.

Pride is political. It's lost its edge. Just because most gay folk have little to worry about it doesn't mean that everyone is fine. Far from it.
 




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nickbrighton said:
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.
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I remember a similar argument when Absolut vodka appropriated the rainbow flag for advertising during London Pride week. A prominent campaigner wrote a very interesting piece about how he’d reconciled this with the idea that it was a sign of being further down the road of mainstream acceptance. I see a parallel here.
 


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Brighton Pride receives no council funding.

The Brighton Carnival (I assume you mean the Lions carnival) was never anywhere near the scale of Pride and neither had the same level of interest. It slowly fizzled out over the years.
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I quite agree that it fizzled out - those were the words I used. Yes latterly the Brighton Carnival was organised by the Lions but it had taken place for decades & wasn’t always organised by that group. In its heyday it was a major event although not commanding international singers, & it was free.There is no need to be defensive you are not being attacked. I didn’t say that Pride was funded by the Council. I said that public, corporate & civic support seems to be more forthcoming when it’s linked to people’s sexual preferences.
 








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No point in having a straight pride in Brighton , bus loading straight people in just to walk around in large groups with the sun newspaper waving old holborn packets would be counter productive and in these times of local council cutbacks is a luxury they can ill afford .
 








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nickbrighton said:
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.
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Couldn't put my views on Pride any better than what is here.
 




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During one of the Lions Carnival parades the driver of an American Express lorry dashed in to my shop to use the toilet. The guy was stoned out of his mind on beer and could hardly stand up but still ran back to the huge lorry and trundled off again. Must have been around 1980'ish. Different times.
 




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nickbrighton said:
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.
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Spot on
 




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nickbrighton said:
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.
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I rode past the green walled 'Pride Prison' on my way to work this morning. I felt the same way. It's now locking people out. It's exclusive, not inclusive.

I'll support what Pride stands for, but not what this 'day out in Brighton' has become - streets full of people pi$$ed off their heads and forgetting what it's all supposed to be about.

There'll be a buzz about town this weekend. The parade will be fun. But there should be something more.

It's great to see more businesses embracing Pride, but when Tesco starts selling their Pride Picnic Kits and things like that, then you know you're being ripped off by 'the man'.
 


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nickbrighton said:
I am not a great fan of what Pride has become-I have copied this from facebook as it puts what I feel into words much better than I could ever hope

his morning someone posted locally on Facebook:
“I paid £300 for a ticket to the Britney Spears concert. I can’t go. Does anyone want it?”
But it isn’t an outrageously priced Britney concert, it is Brighton Pride. The question epitomises everything that has gone wrong with campaigning within the LGBT community and commercialisation of Pride.
We don’t parade through the streets to show off our latest costumes.
We don’t party in the park to get off our faces and go wild.
We don’t pay up to £300 so that fat cats can get fatter.
Pride began after the Stonewall riots in 1969 in New York after oppressive police actions against gays.
The movement grew rapidly internationally with the aim of changing the law and society to protect members of the LGBT community and to provide a safe environment where people would not feel threatened or ashamed by holding hands or kissing their partner in public just for one day a year - a right straight people often still take for granted.
Until recently Brighton Pride epitomised all that was good about grass roots campaigning. It was funded by donation. There was no fence excluding those without tickets. Everyone was welcome whatever their sexuality. Indeed, it was lovely to share a picnic with a straight family and their children there to enjoy the day and support our rights.
Sadly all that has gone. Pride has become a massive commercial event. LGBT organisations pay a premium to have a stand there. Minor charities which play a vital role locally are pushed out by the expense.
It has become an ‘exploit and grab the pink pound’ event. This year it is not even that. It is relegated to a ‘Britney’ concert.
Some readers might say ‘ah but you have full equality’.
Really?
Are you really safe to hold hands with your partner EVERYWHERE in the UK?
Is every community group accepting - Jewish, Moslem, evangelical Christian?
Can you marry in the State religion in a church?
Do you have the same rights in Northern Ireland?
Is homophobic crime on the increase?
Is ‘gay’ still an insult in school or on the football terraces?
Do kids still get bullied for being gay?
And what about the rest of the world? How much work is left to do in the former colonies, in Russia, Arab nations, even now in Italy, Poland, Hungary and the USA?
Our rights and freedoms are hard won with numerous battles remaining. It isn’t about a big party. It isn’t about making rich people richer.
Yes have fun and enjoy the Pride festivities. But NEVER forget Pride’s origins and those for whom we still must fight.
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Hit the nail on the head. I long ago stopped going to Preston Park; it just became a big corporate money-spinner. I also refuse to pay the "entrance fee" to drink in the pubs up St Jimmy's Street. I always go to the parade and then adjourn to Bar Broadway and/or Brighton Tavern. Still a wonderful day out.
 


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Herr Tubthumper said:
Maybe your time would have been better spent replying to the avalanche of responses your ignorant “Bevy” posts generated? Just a thought :smile:
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Maybe your time could be better spent from posting endless tripe on NSC? Do I give much of a sxxt? Nah.
 


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Whilst we’re at it, teachers get too much holiday.
 




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