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    I've often found people look through rose tinted specs when remembering the 1990 tournament. Italia 90 as a whole was pretty abysmal football wise: Argentina kicked their way to the final, Brazil had one of their most mediocre squads ever, the Dutch who had been brilliant at Euro 88 were riven by infighting and debilitating injury to their major stars, the Italians under too much pressure from their home fans. It is still the lowest scoring Finals ever and led to FIFA instituting major reforms that make up our modern game today.

    With England too many people remember how it ended not the journey itself through the tournament: that horrible game against the Irish, scraping past the Egyptians, a decent draw against a disappointing Dutch side (Who failed to win any of their four games), the luck against the Belgians - they hit the post twice during normal time, and just about overcoming Cameroon in the quarters. Robson seemed to do the usual visualise a team built round the injury prone Bryan Robson then get forced into changes either through injury or the by players themselves. Platt only started for the first time against Cameroon. I always got the sense that it was a rollercoaster ride where the trucks could hurtle of the tracks at any moment. However, what we did have was Paul Gascoigne, the one player whose type was desperately missing in the 2018 vintage - when the Croatians began pressing our defence we had nobody in midfield to put their foot on the ball and dictate play.

    In contrast the 2018 team was settled, had a system that all players brought into (This never happened with Robson who seemed to find his best combinations at tournaments often by accident - see Mexico 1986), and we played as a unit, utilising our strengths - set pieces, and tried to pass it quickly and incisively. We've often produced teams from 1990 onwards that seemed to be ponderous in possession who sometimes saw the ball as a hot potato, this lot were comfortable with the ball at their feet. What is more it is a young team (Except ironically Ashley Young) who will be back more or less with the same personnel for Euro 2020 and Qatar 2022. Italia 1990 was a last hurrah for a number players which we failed to build on for the following World Cup which we failed to qualify from.

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      I've often found people look through rose tinted specs when remembering the 1990 tournament. Italia 90 as a whole was pretty abysmal football wise: Argentina kicked their way to the final, Brazil had one of their most mediocre squads ever, the Dutch who had been brilliant at Euro 88 were riven by infighting and debilitating injury to their major stars, the Italians under too much pressure from their home fans. It is still the lowest scoring Finals ever and led to FIFA instituting major reforms that make up our modern game today.

      With England too many people remember how it ended not the journey itself through the tournament: that horrible game against the Irish, scraping past the Egyptians, a decent draw against a disappointing Dutch side (Who failed to win any of their four games), the luck against the Belgians - they hit the post twice during normal time, and just about overcoming Cameroon in the quarters. Robson seemed to do the usual visualise a team built round the injury prone Bryan Robson then get forced into changes either through injury or the by players themselves. Platt only started for the first time against Cameroon. I always got the sense that it was a rollercoaster ride where the trucks could hurtle of the tracks at any moment. However, what we did have was Paul Gascoigne, the one player whose type was desperately missing in the 2018 vintage - when the Croatians began pressing our defence we had nobody in midfield to put their foot on the ball and dictate play.

      In contrast the 2018 team was settled, had a system that all players brought into (This never happened with Robson who seemed to find his best combinations at tournaments often by accident - see Mexico 1986), and we played as a unit, utilising our strengths - set pieces, and tried to pass it quickly and incisively. We've often produced teams from 1990 onwards that seemed to be ponderous in possession who sometimes saw the ball as a hot potato, this lot were comfortable with the ball at their feet. What is more it is a young team (Except ironically Ashley Young) who will be back more or less with the same personnel for Euro 2020 and Qatar 2022. Italia 1990 was a last hurrah for a number players which we failed to build on for the following World Cup which we failed to qualify from.
      Possibly fair analysis but whatever is said about 2018 we didn't really come up against any quality. That said the fact of getting to the semi and the youth of the team bodes well for the Euros and, hopefully, Qatar.
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      One of the big differences is that the performance by England in the 1990 semi-final was superb (probably the best I've ever seen an England team play). Sadly the same cannot be said about last night.
      *JCL since 1976 - FA Cup final, replay and semi, two play-off finals, Hereford, three Championships, eight promotions, five relegations, four home stadiums*
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      1990 was far more painful than now. Then we started slow and built up the football and excitement as it progressed.
      Do not forget that we did not even start in mainland Italy, but were consigned, Napoleon-like, to the island of Sardinia. So the authorities hoped that we would be eliminated there and prevent the English 'hooligan' fans even reaching the real Italy. Just hearing Nessun Dorma brings it all back to me - with almost a similar reaction as the word 'Hereford'. 'World in Motion' was the song of hope for 4 weeks, then Nessun Dorma was the requiem.

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