Page 5 of 12 FirstFirst ... 2345678 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 113
  1. #41
    Minister of Information
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    10,063


    0 Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Stat Brother View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Were you always of that opinion?
    The England approsch. Yes. It's just that they keep shitting themselves over the top job.

    The other teams are doing really well. All of them, from junior upwards, play the same system.

    I thought, and said (no revision there) that Southgate was a good choice as he was part of that system. Whether the FA have made the decision by default is another matter.

    All the senior success has arrived early and with some fortune. However, it is clear that the investment in youngsters is slowly paying off.
    Quote Originally Posted by looney View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    ....and you seem to be hanging around these politics threads for an unhealthy amount of time...

    • North Stand Chat

      advertising
      Join Date: Jul 2003
      Posts: Lots

        


    • #42

      8 Not allowed!
      Quote Originally Posted by Brighton Lines View Post
      This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
      The FA wanted the 'best available'. But, in Southgate's case, finally asked a simple question: Why have a system in place for a coach to come through the ranks then distrust that system?

      My greater point I made previously, and long ago. The best international coach isn't one with all the honours, they just need to be part of a system of development and a person that holds a lot of respect.

      The FA kept going for instant glory- it's funny, I know.

      The most important signal from St George's Park is not England's progress here, a fortunate route the last four proves little in real terms, but the success of the younger age groups.
      I'd like to nominate Howard Wilkinson as the catalyst for all this. It was he who looked at how the creation of Clairefontaine in France had led to them winning the 1998 World Cup and 2000 Euros. He advised the FA to do the same and invest in building our own National football centre at St George's Park. This is a massive part in why we are now reaping the benefits at all age groups.
      Last edited by Johnny RoastBeef; 08-07-2018 at 10:16.
      "Johnny RoastBeef had to keep them all tied up and away from the alarms"
    • #43
      Im The Scatman
      Join Date
      Jul 2003
      Location
      hassocks
      Posts
      48,231


      0 Not allowed!
      Getting rid of Hart, Wilshire and Rooney was the start of this.

      Rooney was a great player for England, but was time for the new players

      Hart and Wilshire are the example of all that is wrong with England Players
    • #44
      Harry Wilson's Tackle Harry Wilson's tackle's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2003
      Location
      Faversham
      Posts
      11,223


      5 Not allowed!
      It is part of the human brain's way of working to seek patterns that are not necessarily there.....I nodded in agreement when I first read the original pots but, of course, it is merely one of many possible reasons for the change. In the same vein, my first instinct might be that everything must come together for a team to win the WC. But that isn't true either. The bottom line is that a sufficient amount of good things needs to come together. Likewise an insufficiency of bad things need to not happen.

      If one single thing is essential, however, I suspect that attitude is paramount. We see unfancied teams push on, riding on the crest of an attitude that makes up for shortcomings. Germany did this, time and time again. And sometimes we see amazing sides destroyed by bad attitude. Brazil, more often than they would care to remember. In the case of France we have seen both ends of the spectrum of the effect of attitude.

      For us, different attitude things in the past have killed us. Remember when Rooney broke his metatarsal? That was it - competition over - the fans knew it and the players knew it. Wrong attitude This time, if Kane gets crocked I have a feeling we'd carry on without too much thought about it. In the past (I have been an avid football watcher since the late 60s) we have turned up thinking a series of fatal things that have morphed over the years:

      We invented the game so we can beat anyone without any sort of preparation. Oh.
      Failure to qualify.
      Failure to qualfy AGAIN
      Then, with a massive sense of insecurity we were becoming aware that fast paced skillful sides will rip us to bits.
      And they do
      And our players all had shit haircuts and side burns.

      Meanwhile in the domestic game we slowly morphed from massive drink binges with the likes of Robson and a world of fags, totty, gambling and (for the likes of Merton) a bit of Charlie, to a growing awareness about diet and lifestyle.
      And we got to a semi....and for a moment our delusion of grandeur arose again...if it werent for those dastardly Germans!

      So eventually we ended up with a squad of mostly well adjusted and healthy lads. But then the PL kicks off...some of them start earning silly money. Man U get us back to winning in Europe, and club football totally eclipses International.
      But Venables arrives and it suddenly looks exciting again. The Daily Mirror decides it can't have that, and the man who allegedly dyes and straightens his armpit hair, Piers Morgan, and crew, sabotage the project...

      The best managers are now all in club football. Nobody sane wants the England job. So we end up with a series of ludicrous appointments, overpaid foreign managers interspaced with the fragile and peculiar among the homegrown (Hoddle, Keegan and the Wally). The team spirit is undermined by the emergence of so-called 'senior playes', some of whom eventually apparently cannot play together (Gerard and Lampard), and all the while club football holds sway, with the emergence of cliques and players from certain rival clubs barely speaking with one another.

      So, as pointed out, the last of the 'senior players' (albeit one who can barely string words together) is now gone. The manager seems normal. The squad is made of equals. We don't have all our hopes invested with one player. One of the mainstays spent a year on loan with is not so long ago (tenuous, but a connection is made). We look like we won't act like we have been humiliated on the battlefield if we lose. And the players do interviews where they talk about real things like depression (how different from the Hoddle era where they mocked the media by inserting joke words into interviews). And they seem to have embraced the whole thing - accessibility, honesty, having fun, not staying in club cliques. There has been no mention of wags, but we don't have Italian Celebacy thrust upon us, either. The more I look the more I find there seems to be nothing to not like about things England, right now. And importantly, the great leveller that makes up for not having ten Peles plus Gordon Banks in the side, attitude, seems to be absolutely spot on.

      In summary, we are normal. We may even like Bert Weedon.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Q93v7hGZA

      Premier League : Brighton, le club le plus cool d'Angleterre
    • #45
      Members Gritt23's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 2003
      Location
      Meopham, Kent.
      Posts
      14,156


      0 Not allowed!
      Quote Originally Posted by Guinness Boy View Post
      This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
      Might well be covered in other threads. I don’t have time to read them all. Certainly on my Facebook. So apologies for any repetition. But just wanted to make the very valid point that binning off the big eared chav is the best thing I can remember happening to an England team.

      Team spirit > individual players

      Especially overrated fat stupid ones.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Completely agree! I was calling for it 2 years ago at the Euros, and wanted to build the side around the likes of Dele Alli and Kane then. An expression they use in the NFL when a supposedly "star player" is removed is "addition by subtraction". You take a negative influence out of the locker(dressing) room to improve the overall.
      "I looked straight across to Graham Turner and their whole bench was in tears."
    • #46
      Harry Wilson's Tackle Harry Wilson's tackle's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2003
      Location
      Faversham
      Posts
      11,223


      1 Not allowed!
      Quote Originally Posted by Johnny RoastBeef View Post
      This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
      I'd like to nominate Howard Wilkinson as the catalyst for all this. It was he who looked at how the creation of Clairefontaine in France had led to them winning the 1998 World Cup and 2000 Euros. He advised the FA to do the same and invest in building our own National football centre at St George's Park. This is a massive part in why we are now reaping the benefits at all age groups.
      For younger readers, Howard, although a yorkshireman, and Sheffield Wednesday stalwart, played more games of football for another club. Yes, he was in our side, with his bow legs, tearing down the wing at the first Albion game I attended in 1969.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Q93v7hGZA

      Premier League : Brighton, le club le plus cool d'Angleterre
    • #47
      Members
      Join Date
      Jan 2004
      Posts
      2,102


      1 Not allowed!
      Quote Originally Posted by Uncle C View Post
      This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
      Rooney never sang the National Anthem.
      Good spot. This was mentioned in pub yesterday when ALL the players were singing. It just smacked of his arrogance.
    • #48
      Harry Wilson's Tackle Harry Wilson's tackle's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2003
      Location
      Faversham
      Posts
      11,223


      0 Not allowed!
      Quote Originally Posted by Beach Hut View Post
      This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
      Rather than try to find the cause look at the positive.

      We have a team now with no fear, may be not world class possibly one or two might be but together and that is all down to the manager.

      If you look back in time many England teams were caught up in factions usually via cliques formed from different club player factions - Chelsea v Man U etc.

      What we have now is a team of players who want to do well together and also want to achieve together - remember #together once before with BHAFC.

      I was born before 1966 but had no clue what happened as 2 at the time, in my life time Italia '90 was our best shot but we did not make it.

      I am totally relaxed with this England team, if we do it we do it, if we don't so be it but the most important thing is we have a great set up and with this and it will happen given what the England Youth has already generated, maybe sooner than we all believed.
      Sorry, I missed your post. You have said what I said, but you said it much more succinctly
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Q93v7hGZA

      Premier League : Brighton, le club le plus cool d'Angleterre
    • #49
      Members dazzer6666's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2013
      Location
      Burgess Hill
      Posts
      21,167


      0 Not allowed!
      Quote Originally Posted by METALMICKY View Post
      This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
      Good spot. This was mentioned in pub yesterday when ALL the players were singing. It just smacked of his arrogance.
      Too many long words for him.
      "Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts"
    • #50
      Members
      Join Date
      Jan 2004
      Posts
      2,102


      0 Not allowed!
      OK call me Mr Miserable when it's all going so well but there is one more thing I'd like resigned to the past.......the WAGS! A totally unnecessary part of recent England tournaments. They don't need to be there and the players get paid enough to survive without them for a few weeks. I really don't need to know about your Dolly bird wife/girlfriend and just need you to do a job.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •