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    Quote Originally Posted by drew View Post
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    Never understand why there are a few who get so vitriolic about Rooney. He was part of a squad that failed. No mean feat to score the number of goals he did and will be interested to see if Kane gets close (I suspect he will). He wasn't binned by Southgate, he chose to retire from international football. Suspect a lot of it is down to simple envy (not necessarily with regard to the granny bit though)!

    Alan Shearer retired when he was 30 and Rooney when he was 31. Scholes also retired when he was only 30.
    Alllardyce made Rooney his captain. Southgate eased him out. He retired because he wasn't wanted. Do you not remember the awful display Rooney gave in Allardyce's one game in charge, seemingly playing in defensive midfield because he was undroppable. Always all about him and only had one decent tournament in 2004.

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    Allardyce shooting himself in the foot was the most important factor. Then dropping Joe Hart.
    Fair point about Hart

    Poor thread title from me in retrospect but I stand by the post. Allardyce would have kept the same old same old and the chance to build a squad would have disolved under the weight of its captain.

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    Rather than try to find the cause look at the positive.

    We have a team now with no fear, may be not world class possibly one or two might be but together and that is all down to the manager.

    If you look back in time many England teams were caught up in factions usually via cliques formed from different club player factions - Chelsea v Man U etc.

    What we have now is a team of players who want to do well together and also want to achieve together - remember #together once before with BHAFC.

    I was born before 1966 but had no clue what happened as 2 at the time, in my life time Italia '90 was our best shot but we did not make it.

    I am totally relaxed with this England team, if we do it we do it, if we don't so be it but the most important thing is we have a great set up and with this and it will happen given what the England Youth has already generated, maybe sooner than we all believed.
    That's kind of what I mean. "Team England" is brilliant but it only works because the super egos aren't around.
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      The principle is sound but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We could get to the World cup final without beating any team in the top 10 (Colombia are 16 and Croatia 20)
      Nobody's getting ahead of anything.

      The point being made is that the FA appointed a manager who bought into what Lancaster Gate wanted and St George's Park was built for.

      Whether England went out to Colombia or win the whole thing is irrespective.
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      Nobody's getting ahead of anything.

      The point being made is that the FA appointed a manager who bought into what Lancaster Gate wanted and St George's Park was built for.

      Whether England went out to Colombia or win the whole thing is irrespective.
      As someone else has already asked:-

      If that's the case why appoint Allardyce?

      You appear to be retrofitting a history onto the current narrative, not the history.
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      As someone else has already asked:-

      If that's the case why appoint Allardyce?

      You appear to be retrofitting a history onto the current narrative, not the history.
      The FA wanted the 'best available'. But, in Southgate's case, finally asked a simple question: Why have a system in place for a coach to come through the ranks then distrust that system?

      My greater point I made previously, and long ago. The best international coach isn't one with all the honours, they just need to be part of a system of development and a person that holds a lot of respect.

      The FA kept going for instant glory- it's funny, I know.

      The most important signal from St George's Park is not England's progress here, a fortunate route the last four proves little in real terms, but the success of the younger age groups.
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      ....and you seem to be hanging around these politics threads for an unhealthy amount of time...
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      Rooney was awful for England.
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      Blimey, even when things are going well some people still need to find a scapegoat!
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      Terry and Rooney (snarling, tough nuts) represent a certain type of Englishman (the type who helped us win World Wars). Kane and Southgate (proper English gent, smart and steely) represent another Englishman (the type who again helped us win World Wars).
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      Can't blame Rooney per se. There were too many 'big time Charlies' in England teams of previous years who did not live up to their club reputations on the international scene and didn't have the hunger or desire. Southgate has created something very special, the hunger has returned to the England team and the players are completely together as a unit and seem to be enjoying every second of it.
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      Not just Rooney, there were others (Terry/Hart/Gerrard spring to mind) who seemed, to me, to have the attitude that they were entitled to be in the England team because of thier success at club level.
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      The FA wanted the 'best available'. But, in Southgate's case, finally asked a simple question: Why have a system in place for a coach to come through the ranks then distrust that system?

      My greater point I made previously, and long ago. The best international coach isn't one with all the honours, they just need to be part of a system of development and a person that holds a lot of respect.

      The FA kept going for instant glory- it's funny, I know.

      The most important signal from St George's Park is not England's progress here, a fortunate route the last four proves little in real terms, but the success of the younger age groups.
      Allardyce was always a mistake and Southgate was a bought in due to his availability. He did reasonably well and took his chance and got the gig. However, to try and paint it as some sort of grand FA plan is, as others have said, rewriting history. When Allardyce left, who else could the FA give the job to on a temporary basis? There is a history of temporary managers that have come from within but in most cases they haven't been given the job permanently. Taylor, Wilkinson and Pearce. The same happens at club level, manager goes and the assistant or someone in the club takes over temporarily.

      Now, it maybe that a production line is now in place but if it is then our next manager is due to be Aidy Boothroyd!

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