happypig
Staring at the rude boys
1981 Forgery and Counterfeiting Act Sections 1-4
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/45/part/I
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[NSC] Photoshopped / Digitally altered PCN to fraudulently obtain funds by A Borough of London
- Thread starter mickybha
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,286
definatly looks like a police matter. not trivial implications, because you wouldnt do this for a one off.
London boroughs have been turning a blind eye to fraudlent parking tickets for years, despite something ridiculous like 90% of cases taken to court thrown out. but thats civil law, pretty sure this is criminal, improper access to computer systems to obtain the number plate and the forgery itself.
London boroughs have been turning a blind eye to fraudlent parking tickets for years, despite something ridiculous like 90% of cases taken to court thrown out. but thats civil law, pretty sure this is criminal, improper access to computer systems to obtain the number plate and the forgery itself.
I'm just speculating on what may have happened. Them just making up a plate sounds unlikely. It's possible that software could be determining the plate number, and then they re-write that in an easier to read format, which has overwritten the original plate.
Seems like a weird thing to do, but then so does completely making up a number plate. If they did that, everyone would challenge their ticket, as they'd know they weren't in London that day.
Maybe a cloned plate AND edited/enhanced (for clarity) image?
Without wanting to know private details, you've identified vehicle differences, but is it the same model and colour? It was easy to prove when my Micra plates were photographed on a Range Rover!
If you started by getting them to email you all the photos, then they can't delete it, they've already sent it. They also wouldn't routinely delete photos in a short time period, as they are evidence for those who have broken traffic rules.
Washie
Well-known member
Maybe i'm mistaken, but that red would go grey in monochrome, not white.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
If it was me, I would just go through the procedure of denying that it was my vehicle. The LA will either drop it or pursue it, if they pursue it, take it as far as they will go, they will produce large amounts of paper, the more "evidence" they provide, the more evidence you will have. I would also keep your details private when posting on this and other forums, delete the image showing your reg.
P.S. if they insist you cough up, nail the ********.
newhaven seagull 85
SELDOM IN NEWHAVEN
- Dec 3, 2006
- 959
Having been on the receiving end of a London authority, I would suggest in the first instance go and speak to a solicitor, before the authority pass this onto high court bailiffs.
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,221
I'm wondering if it's a software thing too. Does look a bit weird, but could just be them enhancing the important part of the image.
I'm sorry, I don't believe that for one minute: it may that there aren't enough details. I'd want to know if there were similar cases in that borough. It's a lot of trouble to go to if it's just a one-off.
The big question in any case of financial shenanigans is cui bono? It's not clear from your description who does: is the money to go to a genuine council account? Or is to go to what seems like a genuine council account but isn't? Or does it go A/c A Fraudster No 12345678 at the National Bank of Chancers?
And don't rule out the possibility of a mistake. As Trig says, it could be a software glitch or the timestamp is wrong and it is your car but on a different day that they suggested.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
They aren't allowed to do that. What they can do is present it to a court and say "We believe this image shows the registration number xxx123" and let the court decide whether they agree. If they present, as evidence, what appears to be an altered photo the defence will have it thrown out.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,296
If the car wasn't there at all (if the op has proof), wouldn't it be deemed a bit odd that:
1) The software enhanced the image to the same registration number. Technically possible (if based on probability) but hugely unlikely it would resolve to an existing valid number plate.
2) The number plate resolved to the same on a similar model.
However, my dad sold cars and years ago one he had on the forecourt that was "involved" in a robbery. Except it couldn't have been since it was packed in behind a number of cars and hadn't moved for weeks.
They had simply bought the same model and copied the registration plate (and from memory) the tax disk too.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,286
reckon overlying the "enhanced" image would/could be doctoring. if you wanted to do this, sensible design would be to put the enhancment off to the side.
that said, it does open up the possiblity "they" arent so thoughtful about such image placment, and there is been a cock up with a mis-identified plate.
That top image looks TOO fake to me, as if it has been enhanced or enlarged deliberately for clarity rather than because someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. If that still image is taken from the video how can the video be of such a poor quality and yet the still be such good quality?
Da Man Clay
T'Blades
- Dec 16, 2004
- 16,254
Totally, and utterly, incorrect from a recording perspective. Recording is victim based (and actually more than that - it’s account based for standard credit card crime). 60 victims = 60 crimes. Fraud is actually recorded better than anything else really from a numbering perspective.
Spot on in that they don’t investigate though. Makes more sense really as Fraud is more national and the ability to link offenders is made more straight forward with a national recording and intelligence bureau. Investigating everything from London would be mad.
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lost in london
Well-known member
I don't know why some people are being so circumspect and conspiratorial about all this. it's OBVIOUSLY an enhanced / photoshopped representation of the number plate put onto the car, no conspiracy there, probably just the ANPR technology being able to recognise number plates better from the grainy footage (using infra-red perhaps) than stills can, so they enhance it. Then it's just a simple case of your number plate being cloned.
I see you're all over moneysavingexpert on this as well so I'm not sure how well your suggestion about keeping it close to your chest is working out, you sound like a conspiracy theorist nutcase.
I see you're all over moneysavingexpert on this as well so I'm not sure how well your suggestion about keeping it close to your chest is working out, you sound like a conspiracy theorist nutcase.
There is a clear (to me) inference in your original post that you believe a Local Authority has gone to the trouble of 'faking' a photo, passing it off as your car, presumably (my inference) in order to generate income falsely.
Really?
Your response is to post the alleged facts on a football forum? (Yes, I am very aware that NSC covers a hell of a lot more than just football - but I could think of dozens of different sites to post this kind of issue to, even if I started from the view that the best way to resolve it is to post it on a public forum of any kind).
Perhaps it is just me, but this makes less sense to me than some of BG's classic posts (sorry BG!).
Edit: - Just seen the post above about this being all over moneysavingexpert
Really?
Your response is to post the alleged facts on a football forum? (Yes, I am very aware that NSC covers a hell of a lot more than just football - but I could think of dozens of different sites to post this kind of issue to, even if I started from the view that the best way to resolve it is to post it on a public forum of any kind).
Perhaps it is just me, but this makes less sense to me than some of BG's classic posts (sorry BG!).
Edit: - Just seen the post above about this being all over moneysavingexpert
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,296
No doubt the reg is overlayed rather than "enhanced", just zoom in 
Although the picture is taken from above and the car is at angle - the letters are completely straight in both plains.
To put it this way the only way it would look like that would be if the letters were skewed on the plate and you experiencing an optical illusion.
Exactly how the sponsorship works when printed on a sports pitch.
Although the picture is taken from above and the car is at angle - the letters are completely straight in both plains.
To put it this way the only way it would look like that would be if the letters were skewed on the plate and you experiencing an optical illusion.
Exactly how the sponsorship works when printed on a sports pitch.
Why not put in a GDPR SAR's request? My understanding is that once this is done it is a criminal offence to delete any data. They also have to turn your request around pretty quickly as well but you'd need to look up the exact timescale.
darkwolf666
Well-known member
Not casting any doubt on your story, but how did you get police ANPR for your vehicle? I worked for The Met for a number of years and this is not the sort of information that was easily obtained or shared!