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    According to the news reports I saw yesterday something similar may be coming in down here as well.

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      Caught the 18.05 at London Bridge which was incredibly more or less on time, but passengers were at least 4-deep on the platform, and it was standing room only when the train pulled in anyway (as is usually the case now with the 'through trains', so nowhere near everyone got on. I was squashed up against a pushchair and the poor kid very obviously filled his nappy somewhere near Gatwick - when even the mother starts to gag you know the smell is bad. Driver announced soon after leaving LB that the train would terminate at Three Bridges due to 'signal problems near Haywards Heath'. Was very slow from Gatwick to Three Bridges and we were turfed off there - must have been just after a train going south had left though because the usual platform for Brighton-bound trains was empty when we arrived. At this point I was in contact with junior who was returning from Clapham, and had been stuck near H Heath for about 30 mins. Had a c15 min wait at Three Bridges for a H Heath-bound train (Littlehampton service but I need to get off at Wivelsfield or Burgess Hill) which then took around 40 mins to get from Three Bridges to Haywards Heath - junior had only just got home when I got to Haywards Heath, so had taken a further 30 mins from HH to Wivelsfield (about 3 miles)

      Got the Mrs to pick me up at H Heath and arrived home around 8.20 so compared to others wasn't too bad I guess - trains were still being held on the platform at HH for ages, and the traffic around the station was bedlam too unsurprisingly. According to the last train driver there were 4-5 signals out either side of Haywards Heath so trains were being 'talked through' the area manually.
      I'm so glad I use Victoria now and not London Bridge as I had to a couple of years ago. Sussex based LB commuters have been royally shafted by the timetable by all accounts. At least the Gatwick Express is comfortable and has dodgy wifi. I prefer using it and changing at Brighton to the direct Portslade train when there's problems.
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      I'm so glad I use Victoria now and not London Bridge as I had to a couple of years ago. Sussex based LB commuters have been royally shafted by the timetable by all accounts. At least the Gatwick Express is comfortable and has dodgy wifi. I prefer using it and changing at Brighton to the direct Portslade train when there's problems.
      This.

      We've seen the most appalling rolling stock introduced; seen services from Brighton into LB reduce; seen originating services from LB to Brighton at peak time disappear; and witnessed a ridiculous attempt to link up Thameslink with Great Northern services which has put unsustainable pressure on services going through LB. Ridiculous. The whole sham of a timetable is entirely unworkable.
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      I'm so glad I use Victoria now and not London Bridge as I had to a couple of years ago. Sussex based LB commuters have been royally shafted by the timetable by all accounts. At least the Gatwick Express is comfortable and has dodgy wifi. I prefer using it and changing at Brighton to the direct Portslade train when there's problems.
      I spent a few years commuting in and out of Vic and it was always far more civilised, even in the crap (crappier, equally crap ? I dunno any more) years in the 90s

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      We've seen the most appalling rolling stock introduced; seen services from Brighton into LB reduce; seen originating services from LB to Brighton at peak time disappear; and witnessed a ridiculous attempt to link up Thameslink with Great Northern services which has put unsustainable pressure on services going through LB. Ridiculous. The whole sham of a timetable is entirely unworkable.
      Completely correct. The new TL trains, whilst being more roomy (ie more standing space), are very uncomfortable. The through trains are arriving at London Bridge full when travelling South in rush hour (I assume those able are jumping on at City TL etc), so add in the other cancellations and it's a disaster. The Southern services that used to start at LB seem to be invariably cancelled now too. It's a colossal shitshow.
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      The signalling issue was still ongoing this morning when I got into work, if it wasn't announced/you didn't hear it/don't particularly care about what happened yesterday it was a complete and utter flustercuck (I like it).

      The Southern side of London Victoria was shut for about an hour from 11:45 due to a service coming out of the station and coming up in a heap due to it losing power because it lost the shoe gear that contact the 3rd rail, once things started recovering from that there was a line side fire on the Epsom branch which required the power to be switched off so the fire brigade could deal with it, then there was a train that failed on the London Bridge/East Croydon line as the driver couldn't release the brakes, that took an age to clear the line blocking the slow line (and therefore most of the stations between LB and EC) I'm not too sure on the exact timings but once those issues were in the process of clearing up the signalling system went into a bit of a meltdown between Wivelsfield and Preston Park and a points failure at Redhill were the cherry on top.

      We'll be sorting it out for most of the day chasing our tails and trying to get stuff into the right place, not just the services but also the stuff that needs maintenance which could have a knock on effect as if its late for maintenance it could be late out again.
      Thanks for the insight - itís easy to see how multiple events with knock on effects on an over stretched system can cause such a fustercluck.
      In a way I could live with one of these every so often. Itís the day in, day out 5,10,20 mins delays (on a 60 min journey) plus of course the cancellations that are killing me.
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      It’s the day in, day out 5,10,20 mins delays (on a 60 min journey) plus of course the cancellations that are killing me.
      It's that that pisses me off no end, day after day. Pre-timetable change, I used to get the 06:30 GE from Brighton to Victoria, and it usually got me there in time. With the new timetable in place, the 06:29 is due to get to Victoria before the old 06:30, but is invariably at least 10 minutes late, meaning I can't get across London in time for my 08:18 connection at Tottenham Hale. I now have to get the 06:14 which more often than not doesn't get to Victoria until around the time the 06:29 is supposed to
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      Nothing has ever been as bad as the last couple of years, you're just collateral damage in a Tory fight against the workers
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      Not this time.

      This is purely government / management.
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      If Chris Grayling (or indeed any other transport secretary) had to commute to work by public transport then it'd be improved by the end of the week. The man really is the anti-Midas, literally every job he's ever had in Government has gone to absolute shit the minute he's touched it.
      Our local Tory MP has woken up to facts that we were telling her two years ago, when the government were trying to defeat the unions. Despite that, she still voted a confidence in Chris Grayling recently.

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      The Germans had a clean sheet in 1945 to start again. The French simply buy up and bulldoze anything in the way of TGV routes and won't be slowed by beautiful ecology.
      You could fit England into France 5 times, and Germany 2.5 times. Not quite the same is it.
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      https://www.londonreconnections.com/...at-went-wrong/

      I posted the link above on its own thread but it's worth sticking on here too. It's very long but don't worry, you should be able to complete it during your commute home

      If you've ever run a project or, in fact, managed anything, you'll cringe in horror. Not only were the issues with the new timetable known well in advance but a combination of poor train software, poor recruting, poor testing, poor planning and poor training was at fault. No one comes out of this well. Not the TOCs, not Siemens, not Network Rail. And the man at the head of it all, blundering forward like an excited toddler chasing a pigeon? Chris Grayling.
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      I don't want to get into any arguments as I am just trying to give a bit of insight into things and this isn't aimed at you TB, or anyone on here, but Maria Caulfield is using GTR as a scapegoat here as she knows it is what people want to hear. If you look at the reasoning behind the issues yesterday it looks as if they were mainly Network Rail issues (signalling, points, possible issue with the 3rd rail at Victoria), not GTR. The only one that would probably be down to GTR would be the brake issue. That wouldn't excuse a lack of information but having worked on the front line before I sometimes found the best information was on Twitter, or using third party sources like Real Time Trains or sussextrains.co.uk as the last 2 are automated so don't rely on someone sending e-mails, tweets or answering the phone.

      I can't comment on the previous months of poor service and don't want to get drawn into another GTR bashing, I can only speak for myself but I come in and do the best I can to ensure my part is done to provide a service.
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