Hampster Gull
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He’s not the sharpest tool in the box, but he is a tool
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[Football] Nigeria v Argentina.
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He’s not the sharpest tool in the box, but he is a tool
seagulls4ever
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Well yes, I agree it should be consistent. But it isn't, which is why there is a debate to be had.
You don't need to post the law. I know what it is but I explained how it can be interpreted. Even the ref tonight indicated he made the decision because the defender headed the ball first. If he misjudged the ball and it hit his arm first I'm pretty sure it would have been given, even though he wouldn't have truly meant to handball it.
All's well that ends well. Lineker put us straight. England still in the WC. Happy days.
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METALMICKY
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It's a penalty all day long and the deliberate aspect is a red herring. He misjudges the flight of the ball leading to him heading the ball on to his arm. He didn't mean to do it but it's the result of an error by him. The deliberate consideration is more applicable to scenarios such as when a player has the ball blasted at him from a short distance.
Or let's put it another way with this scenario. Muzza is through on goal against Palace and deftly jobs it over the keeper towards the goal. However, covering defender gets back to the ball but inexplicably swings wrong foot at it resulting in him slicing the ball on to his arm. It's a horrendous error but somehow you wave it on as it was an honest mistake that he didn't mean to make. It's a penalty all day long and tonight Drogba and Rio were just poor at articulating their point.
Or let's put it another way with this scenario. Muzza is through on goal against Palace and deftly jobs it over the keeper towards the goal. However, covering defender gets back to the ball but inexplicably swings wrong foot at it resulting in him slicing the ball on to his arm. It's a horrendous error but somehow you wave it on as it was an honest mistake that he didn't mean to make. It's a penalty all day long and tonight Drogba and Rio were just poor at articulating their point.
boik
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Mine too. Not just Barca, but before Cruyff, Netherlands were footballing minnows just happy to occasionally beat Belgium.
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Pen for me chaps. Game of opinions though isn't it. Even more so with VAR now.
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Maradona is a complete ****. Looked off his head tonight.
Captain Sensible
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I bet most fans look ‘off their head’ if the camera is on them for 90’mins and their team is going out of the World Cup. Behave mate.
METALMICKY
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whatever your views on him and the hand of God in same game he scored arguably the best goal you will ever see.
Iggle Piggle
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I can't look at that picture and not laugh especially watched him clearly shout Puta as he does it. It's a proper fan reaction and the fact he is off his tits in later videos is superb.
We can watch him cry again when they get smashed by France. The comedy and tears will be worth it.
There is, of course, only one way a true Englishman should deal with Maradona:
https://youtu.be/BuaHKz4iPDg
bluenitsuj
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Speak for yourself
Deliberately is explicitly stated in the law, and correctly interpreted as such by the VAR team last night and Lineker.
Red herrings are anti-Argentina misinterpretations, desperately trying to find a subjective basis for it to be a pen.
Looks like VAR over time might finally nail the wildly varying giving or not of handball pens.
seagulls4ever
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The VAR team thought the ref may have potentially made a clear and obvious error by not giving a penalty, or else they wouldn't have flagged it for review. It's not as clear as you are trying to portray.
seagulls4ever
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Lineker and co suggesting Sweden could easily have had a pen after Chicharito controlled with his arm. He tried to control with his chest but misjudged it, so not truly deliberate. VAR said review, ref said no.