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    How Thameslink's Timetable Failed - long but good


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    Still wondering exactly how GTR, Network Rail and the government screwed up the May 2018 timetable implementation? Some brilliant analysis here (warning, it is LONG but worth it especially if you're a transport nerd or do a lot of project work).

    https://www.londonreconnections.com/...at-went-wrong/

    Let's just say no one comes out of this smelling of roses and it's little wonder Charlie Horton turned his notice in. Not sure I'd be rushing to apply for software jobs at Siemens either.
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      Interesting to see the detail and not just the rhetoric behind the chaos. It looks like it won't be resolved very quickly and its hard to see how a nationalised railway would have done any better given the not inconsiderable part played by Ministers, the DfT and network rail in the fiasco!
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      Interesting to see the detail and not just the rhetoric behind the chaos. It looks like it won't be resolved very quickly and its hard to see how a nationalised railway would have done any better given the not inconsiderable part played by Ministers, the DfT and network rail in the fiasco!
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      Not really. Nobody has ever said a nationalised railway would have managed an enormous timetable change any better. There are many aspects of the train shambles that would have been a lot better though, that's for sure.
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      Not really. Nobody has ever said a nationalised railway would have managed an enormous timetable change any better. There are many aspects of the train shambles that would have been a lot better though, that's for sure.
      But an integrated railway might have done so better rather than too many vested interests
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      Not really. Nobody has ever said a nationalised railway would have managed an enormous timetable change any better. There are many aspects of the train shambles that would have been a lot better though, that's for sure.
      i think some have. listening to many you'd think the aforementioned government/public groups weren't even involved.
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      i think some have. listening to many you'd think the aforementioned government/public groups weren't even involved.
      I can't say I had noticed, but thinking about it, a) it couldn't have gone any worse and b) @Ernest makes a good point above.
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      Started, but a bit long for me.

      One genuine question though - why does it take so long to learn a new route? What do you actually have to learn?
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      The issues have been know by anoyone who works in the industry for months the only one caught unaware is that useless **** Chris Grayling.
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      Good read.

      Really makes you wonder in an organisation so out of control, with a terrible performance record and a culture of bad decision making how far away we are from a major disaster ie train crash. If you read the history of many of the major industrial accidents Over the last fifty years (flixborough, Bhopal, Chernobyl etc) many of the symptoms are the same - bad leadership, poor performance, poor maintenance and infrastructure and the wrong organisational culture. Worrying.

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