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    He's not making that up. The victim is described as a 'Sinn Fein activist' in various media outlets.
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      He's not making that up. The victim is described as a 'Sinn Fein activist' in various media outlets.
      @vegster , care to comment ?
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      which part do you consider "made up" ?
      Oh no I'm being drawn into debate with Alf Misanthrope. I consider that you are making-up about him shouting abuse, and that he was a "dicker" for the PIRA (no account suggests this, and I saw a photo of his coffin with only a football shirt on it) and thirdly you made-up that I read an IRA newspaper. Oh and I note that you still haven't mentioned the PSNI report which in summary says that the soldier lied.
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      t'was on the telly box yesterday about his sinn fein shite
      I was on here before as 'Hampden Park'
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      yes , yes , yes nobody is arguing that , but can i ask when the bloke who tried to kill me in crossmaglen in 1983 is.going to be investigated and prosecuted for attempted murder ? , youre far from stupid mate so i can only conclude youre deliberately missing the point / reason ex squaddies are unhappy
      I don't think I'm missing the point - I understand why you and your former comrades feel as you do.

      Personally, if I'd like for anyone who is known, and evidenced, to be guilty of such crimes to be brought to account (on all sides) but understand why this can't happen (for the greater good and all that). The unfortunate fact that your assailant can't be brought to book for whatever reason, doesn't in my opinion mean that folk in different uniforms should necessarily be granted immunity from absolutely everything.

      If we were talking about a case of something that happened during some form of violent engagement, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you - such things should be judged in a military context, by people with relevant experience. I don't (personally) believe that a person being shot in the back from 300m away, walking away from a check-point on the way to a GAA match, comes under that description, however mouthy he was.
      The above post is simply my opinion. I am not bullying you, should it differ from your own.
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      Oh no I'm being drawn into debate with Alf Misanthrope. I consider that you are making-up about him shouting abuse, and that he was a "dicker" for the PIRA (no account suggests this, and I saw a photo of his coffin with only a football shirt on it) and thirdly you made-up that I read an IRA newspaper. Oh and I note that you still haven't mentioned the PSNI report which in summary says that the soldier lied.
      the psni report says the soldiers account is "unlikely" not that he lied , the coffin with a football shirt on it , says it all , he was a sinn fein activist as has already been established so why no tricolour ? wouldnt be because its a golden propaganda opportunity to present the brits as murderous oppressers to gullible americans (and people with usernames that hint at irish heritage )and im making up tbat he shouted abuse , for a start i didnt say he shouted it , it would have been spoken , along the lines of who is shagging your wife while your out here , see we got o e of yours yesterday , theres a 1000 pound landmine with your name on it , those sort of pleasantries , now i speak from experience here , im told he did these things by people who were there , where do you gather your viewpoint from , your conviction that he didnt do these things and im making it up ?
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      the psni report says the soldiers account is "unlikely" not that he lied , the coffin with a football shirt on it , says it all , he was a sinn fein activist as has already been established so why no tricolour ? wouldnt be because its a golden propaganda opportunity to present the brits as murderous oppressers to gullible americans (and people with usernames that hint at irish heritage )and im making up tbat he shouted abuse , for a start i didnt say he shouted it , it would have been spoken , along the lines of who is shagging your wife while your out here , see we got o e of yours yesterday , theres a 1000 pound landmine with your name on it , those sort of pleasantries , now i speak from experience here , im told he did these things by people who were there , where do you gather your viewpoint from , your conviction that he didnt do these things and im making it up ?
      Oh OK Alf, I'm sure the court will be calling you to give evidence. He obviously deserved to be shot in the back.
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      Oh OK Alf, I'm sure the court will be calling you to give evidence. He obviously deserved to be shot in the back.
      Ah the desperate attempt at an answer from somebody who knows he hasnt got a real one to put forward
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      Ah the desperate attempt at an answer from somebody who knows he hasnt got a real one to put forward
      That's very weak. No Alf, it's weary response of a man who realises that he really should have known better than to engage with NSC's resident guff artist.
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      He's not making that up. The victim is described as a 'Sinn Fein activist' in various media outlets.
      It was the first I had heard about it when Alf said it.
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