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    Blimey, give me a chance. I'm still trying to move from ' half-caste ' to ' mixed race '
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      If you’re referring to the night he slapped Ulriks Johnson - the silly drunken bint - who was ridiculing him with a load of Jocks then at least he’s done one good thing.
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      I wonder how much of the response to this is because it's Collymore, how much is because he disparaged one of ours, and how much is just people don't like it when someone brings up inequality (it political correctness gone mad, init?!)?

      How long do BAME people have to wait? It's not like racial equality in football management is something that has only just come under the spotlight since the introduction of VAR technology. Ron Atkinson was fired in 2004. Kick It Out was founded in 1993. How much have things moved on since then for black managers and coaches? It's been an issue for a while now, and we're not seeing much advancement.

      Getting a job on TV or Football management isn't the same thing, obviously, but the right to vote wasn't just handed down because one or two women were trusted with the vote and they kept their heads down, voted with dignity, didn't draw attention to themselves, didn't upset the establishment (men). Civil rights weren't bestowed upon black men and women because one or two got them and were deemed ok by the rest of society. Changes aren't made by people 'not kicking up a fuss'. The status quo doesn't get disrupted by 'getting on with the job' 'conducting yourself with dignity'. It gets disrupted by protests, and people disturbing horse races with sacrificial actions, it's causing a fuss and offending. It is jumping up and down and screaming 'look! there's something that might need to change over here!'

      Look at how many management vacancies there have been in the last ten years - how many have gone to BAME managers? How long do people have to wait patiently, sit down quietly with dignity, and not kick up a fuss? Is it a little bit longer because people don't like the current person kicking up a fuss?


      EDIT: Just in case I need to clarify for anyone, no, I'm not advocating riots or protests or throwing oneself to their death in the middle of a grand national just to get another black manager in the league. But, this 'sit down, shut up, and wait for change' attitude doesn't sit well with me. Sometimes change needs people to call for it to come.
      I agree with a lot of that, and I find it a shame that the argument is being made by Collymore and Campbell (as someone else has put it earlier, two 'egotistical, confrontational weirdos') rather than say Chris Powell, who is not only a good coach/manager but a lot better an ambassador.

      Also let's not forget that a lot of former black players. as with former white players, are currently going for the 'easy money' in the media rather than the much tougher gig as a coach and manager. So it's not all about rejection, in some cases it's their career choices (eg Jenas, Dublin). I hope the recent moves by Lampard and Gerrard may start to redress that a bit.
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      Dual heritage
      Why can't all folks be classified as either BAME , Part BAME or Non BAME .
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      I happen to agree with Collymore that a version of the Rooney Rule should be in play for all coaching vacancies at professional clubs in the UK, just to give owners and directors exposure to other possibilities. CH himself admitted that he had not interviewed any BAME coaches when Calderwood left but just called his old mate Paul Trollope. It's that old pals' network that may be preventing black coaches even getting a foot in the door.

      On the subject of Sol Campbell - yes, he comes across as a jerk with a colossal sense of entitlement, but he has a Pro Licence - unlike Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard - and might justifiably feel that he should at least be getting interviews. Under a Rooney Rule, he probably would. Perhaps he wouldn't impress potential employers, but he'd have a chance to do so, and that's all any of us ask, surely.
      There are limits though. I don't need to know whether Kim Jong Un has a Pro Licence - I wouldn't interview him for the Brighton job. Sol Campbell's problem is that he is offered a huge media platform, vastly bigger than any other potential, wanna-be manager black or white. And every time he opens his mouth on that platform, he comes over like a total bellend. He is sabotaging his own chances.
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      A term that came and quickly went as it made no allowance for people with multiple heritages.

      It is a little bit sad though that people get so hung up on terminology (Mixed race, biracial, dual heritage etc). I remember watching an interview once with an old black American. He said: "When I was born I was a negro. Then I was colored. Then I was black. Now I'm an African-American. God knows what I'll be next year but I'll tell you this: white folk are still white and they're still in power."

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      Will there ever come a time I wonder when different shades and pigment of skin colour don't require labels. Wishful thinking I suspect.
      When you need/wish to describe people visually then yes, wishful thinking.
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      I doubt Collymore has ever read Uncle Tom's Cabin. Same as all the other idiots who use it as an insult when in fact Tom was the hero of the tale.
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      On the subject of Sol Campbell - yes, he comes across as a jerk with a colossal sense of entitlement, but he has a Pro Licence - unlike Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard - and might justifiably feel that he should at least be getting interviews. Under a Rooney Rule, he probably would. Perhaps he wouldn't impress potential employers, but he'd have a chance to do so, and that's all any of us ask, surely.
      i read that Campbell is still working on his badge, as are the other two.
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      No it didn't - it was around in common parlance (and generally thought to be OK) a lot later. About fifteen/twenty years I reckon.
      I'm sure I knew it wasn't ok a lot longer ago than that.
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