GT49er
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Hear hear.
No it didn't - it was around in common parlance (and generally thought to be OK) a lot later. About fifteen/twenty years I reckon.
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[Football] Collymore calls Ian Wright a 'Tom' after latest race issues interview
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An intelligent reply. Most people know the current description is ‘mixed race’ but don’t get complacent because that’ll be up for review soon enough. Maybe it’s already moved on and an old racist like me has missed it.
portslade seagull
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Same as, never looked at him because of his colour. He's the manager of my football team and a bloody good one at that.
Tom Bombadil
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Oh dear, Collymore is an obvious dick head who accepts Putin's shilling ( or rouble as the case may be) . It's a shame so many on here this evening though are desperate to prove his point.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
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Here, here. I don't think of our Chris as black, white, mixed or any other such label. He's our manager and arguably the best ever. That's all that counts.
portlock seagull
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LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Ok thats the good points but what are his bad ones?
AmexRuislip
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Exactly my thinking.
DumLum
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Not that I want to agree with anything you have to say in this thread but I think Biracial is the term used in America now. Wouldn't be suprised if it takes over from mixed race in this country.
I wonder how much of the response to this is because it's Collymore, how much is because he disparaged one of ours, and how much is just people don't like it when someone brings up inequality (it political correctness gone mad, init?!)?
How long do BAME people have to wait? It's not like racial equality in football management is something that has only just come under the spotlight since the introduction of VAR technology. Ron Atkinson was fired in 2004. Kick It Out was founded in 1993. How much have things moved on since then for black managers and coaches? It's been an issue for a while now, and we're not seeing much advancement.
Getting a job on TV or Football management isn't the same thing, obviously, but the right to vote wasn't just handed down because one or two women were trusted with the vote and they kept their heads down, voted with dignity, didn't draw attention to themselves, didn't upset the establishment (men). Civil rights weren't bestowed upon black men and women because one or two got them and were deemed ok by the rest of society. Changes aren't made by people 'not kicking up a fuss'. The status quo doesn't get disrupted by 'getting on with the job' 'conducting yourself with dignity'. It gets disrupted by protests, and people disturbing horse races with sacrificial actions, it's causing a fuss and offending. It is jumping up and down and screaming 'look! there's something that might need to change over here!'
Look at how many management vacancies there have been in the last ten years - how many have gone to BAME managers? How long do people have to wait patiently, sit down quietly with dignity, and not kick up a fuss? Is it a little bit longer because people don't like the current person kicking up a fuss?
EDIT: Just in case I need to clarify for anyone, no, I'm not advocating riots or protests or throwing oneself to their death in the middle of a grand national just to get another black manager in the league. But, this 'sit down, shut up, and wait for change' attitude doesn't sit well with me. Sometimes change needs people to call for it to come.
How long do BAME people have to wait? It's not like racial equality in football management is something that has only just come under the spotlight since the introduction of VAR technology. Ron Atkinson was fired in 2004. Kick It Out was founded in 1993. How much have things moved on since then for black managers and coaches? It's been an issue for a while now, and we're not seeing much advancement.
Getting a job on TV or Football management isn't the same thing, obviously, but the right to vote wasn't just handed down because one or two women were trusted with the vote and they kept their heads down, voted with dignity, didn't draw attention to themselves, didn't upset the establishment (men). Civil rights weren't bestowed upon black men and women because one or two got them and were deemed ok by the rest of society. Changes aren't made by people 'not kicking up a fuss'. The status quo doesn't get disrupted by 'getting on with the job' 'conducting yourself with dignity'. It gets disrupted by protests, and people disturbing horse races with sacrificial actions, it's causing a fuss and offending. It is jumping up and down and screaming 'look! there's something that might need to change over here!'
Look at how many management vacancies there have been in the last ten years - how many have gone to BAME managers? How long do people have to wait patiently, sit down quietly with dignity, and not kick up a fuss? Is it a little bit longer because people don't like the current person kicking up a fuss?
EDIT: Just in case I need to clarify for anyone, no, I'm not advocating riots or protests or throwing oneself to their death in the middle of a grand national just to get another black manager in the league. But, this 'sit down, shut up, and wait for change' attitude doesn't sit well with me. Sometimes change needs people to call for it to come.
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This with bells on. Collymore is an insufferable idiot and Sol Campbell is thick as mince but thinks that he's a genius.
Neither do anyone any favours, unlike our Chris.
It wasn't ok 20 years ago I'm afraid.
WTF?
blockhseagull
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There is a reason that Collymore, Ince and Campbell don’t get work.
It’s because they come across as egotistical, confrontational weirdos.... who when they don’t get the opportunities THEY think they deserve they play the race card.
Collymore has shown what an ignorant moron he is today, shooting his mouth off before engaging his very small brain
It’s because they come across as egotistical, confrontational weirdos.... who when they don’t get the opportunities THEY think they deserve they play the race card.
Collymore has shown what an ignorant moron he is today, shooting his mouth off before engaging his very small brain
GT49er
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Can't you read? I never said it was, just that there was a long time between '******' becoming unacceptable and 'half cast' becoming unacceptable. One word (or phrase) stayed around in common parlance longer than the other.
There, I've quoted the N word now - enough to have you frothing at the mouth yet?
Waits with baited breath for an outraged person to fly into a rage with a furious response. Please specify on whose behalf you are being outraged...................
Just for the record, I don't, nor would I ever dream of doing so, refer to anybody as ****** or half cast. Totally unacceptable, and quite rightly so. History sometimes has to be explained, though, and those words were once in common usage.
Not Andy Naylor
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I happen to agree with Collymore that a version of the Rooney Rule should be in play for all coaching vacancies at professional clubs in the UK, just to give owners and directors exposure to other possibilities. CH himself admitted that he had not interviewed any BAME coaches when Calderwood left but just called his old mate Paul Trollope. It's that old pals' network that may be preventing black coaches even getting a foot in the door.
On the subject of Sol Campbell - yes, he comes across as a jerk with a colossal sense of entitlement, but he has a Pro Licence - unlike Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard - and might justifiably feel that he should at least be getting interviews. Under a Rooney Rule, he probably would. Perhaps he wouldn't impress potential employers, but he'd have a chance to do so, and that's all any of us ask, surely.
On the subject of Sol Campbell - yes, he comes across as a jerk with a colossal sense of entitlement, but he has a Pro Licence - unlike Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard - and might justifiably feel that he should at least be getting interviews. Under a Rooney Rule, he probably would. Perhaps he wouldn't impress potential employers, but he'd have a chance to do so, and that's all any of us ask, surely.
The Fifth Column
Retired ex-cop
Will there ever come a time I wonder when different shades and pigment of skin colour don't require labels. Wishful thinking I suspect.
Megazone
On his last warning
How about one clap for black people, two claps for white people?