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[Politics] Anjem Choudary’s release ???
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now you've just underscored yourself as a bell end.....and i believe you are missing an apostrophe....
Yes because normal , well adjusted males marry 9 year olds don’t they
According to some Islamic Scholars the Holy Prophet Muhammad (may peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him), married Aisha when she was just 6 years old .
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
It is believed on the authority of some Hadith reports that the marriage ceremony (known as nikah, amounting to betrothal) of Aisha with the Holy Prophet Muhammad took place when she was six years of age, and that she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife three years later at the age of nine. We quote below from two such reports in Bukhari.
“It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”
“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.
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looney
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How could you comprehend intelligence when you dont understand debates? Hatred is an emotional accusation brought to a public reasoned debate, its a way ignorant people assume motives when they cant properly understand issues as well as being out of place.
But then you are a fully paid up member of NSC's Bag of Idiots so these points are also beyond your scope of reason.
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McTavish
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Richard II married a six year old. Was he a paedophile?Yes because normal , well adjusted males marry 9 year olds don’t they
symyjym
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This is exactly what Muslim apologists try to throw in. Firstly: If he had sex with her then yes but the marriage was never consumated. Secondly: We do not woirship Richard II or claim that God spoke to him and he is the perfect role model for the rest of mankind and we should emuilate him.If Richard II was a pedophile though was the question trying to justify Muhammad's relationship with Aisha?
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Whatever those guys think, I said I didn't think Mohammed was a paedophile, and I will tell you why. His first wife was older than him, somewhere between 3 and 15 years older depending on who you ask, she was a virgin in some teachings, or had 3 daughters from her previous marriage in others. Some say Aisha was his second wife, some say 3rd, some say she was 6 or 7 years old when it was decided she was betrothed to Mohammed, but remained living with her parents until 9 or 10 in some teachings, 13 to 19 in others, but nearly all agree she would have had to have reached puberty to have been considered old enough to marry. The other second or third wife was 55, and all other wives were widows, or divorced women. Aisha was the daughter of a friend of Mohammeds, and I believe the marriage was political rather than the lust of an old man towards a young girl, if she was 9 years old at marriage, she would have reached puberty and was considered adult.
The age of consent in India was raised from age 10 to age 12 in 1891, Kings of England have married females that would be considered children today, as young as 6 years old, but we don't think of them as paedophiles.
Some sects wished to promote Aisha as Mohammeds successor, her being the only virgin bride he had was an element in promoting her, and so her age may have been deliberately driven down by those wishing to eliminate doubt about her virginity.
All in all, it is possible she was 9 at marriage, but by no means certain, and, if she were, it was not a pattern of behaviour of Mohammed, so I think Paedophilia is unlikely to be the reason he married her.
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Yes because normal , well adjusted males marry 9 year olds don’t they
If he was a paedophile, and no one gave him a hard time about marrying a 9 year old, I think maybe a few of the other wives might have been on the young side, but it appears not.
symyjym
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I don’t know what you have been reading but Khadijah was a wealthy widow with children and Muhammad never had a child with her. Can you provide me with an authentic Islamic source that claims Aisha was 13-19?
Abu Bakr, Aisha's dad, at first even pleaded with Muhammad not to marry her because they were like brothers, and Muhammad told him that Allah wills it after having a dream. It had nothing to do with connecting clans by marriage.
The Sunni sect are 90% of Muslims and they use the Quran and Sahih Bukhari hadth, and if they question anything within them they are accused of not being a real Muslim. All the ISIS fighters and Anjem Choudary follow these books and use them in a literal manner including taking sex slaves for trade. Muslim grooming gangs can justify their actions too from the Quran and hadith. Islamic apologetics is a very dangerous game.
Find me one King of England that consummated with his wife younger than 13? We all know that some 13 year olds can look a lot older than they are, and are biologically and physically able to have children. Some 13 year olds however can look like 10 and are not physically able to give birth but have just started puberty. Starting puberty or menstruating early isn’t a sign that they are ready to chance a pregnancy.
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No one gave him a hard time
He was kicked out of Mecca for causing trouble and he had killed anyone who spoke bad of him. Male or female. When his companions were marrying older women he questioned why they did not marry younger ones. He had about 13 wives but we don;t know their ages, and he had first pick of the female captives.
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if he consummated the .marriage as did mohamed.then the answer is obviously yes, why wouldnt he be ?
Baldseagull
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My understanding was Khadijah was a wealthy widow, who bore two sons and a daughter to Mohammed, and they adopted another son, but as I say, some will tell you she was a virgin.
Research into authentic Islamic text by some scholars has provided different ages for Aisha http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm so without an ancient text directly stating her age, it can be determined using different statements as somewhere between 13 and 19.
Whatever some muslims may believe, you believe, Anjem Choudray or Tommy Robinson believes, I don't believe Mohammed was a paedophile (a person sexually attracted to children).
King John and Edward the 2nd.
symyjym
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That's the Ahmadiyya Muslims
Sunni's call them Kafir and their founder, Indian born Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who believed that he was Jesus returned. They total 4 million in number. If that is what you base your opinion on what Islam is then it is flawed.Tell me about King John and Edward the II? And why do you think they can be compared with a prophet from God who is the greatest role model for the rest of mankind.
I have never prayed or worshipped any historical royalty and they only represent a figure and a story from the past, not God. Don't you understand the difference?
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UK: Over 40 Per Cent of Terrorists Jailed in Past Decade Will Be Back on the Streets by End of 2018
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...tremists-jailed-decade-back-streets-end-2018/
Its like the Governments complicit in doing us harm, how long can this crap go on?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...tremists-jailed-decade-back-streets-end-2018/
Its like the Governments complicit in doing us harm, how long can this crap go on?
That's the Ahmadiyya Muslims
Tell me about King John and Edward the II? And why do you think they can be compared with a prophet from God who is the greatest role model for the rest of mankind.
I have never prayed or worshipped any historical royalty and they only represent a figure and a story from the past, not God. Don't you understand the difference?
From what I can gather the Ahmadiyya are genuine peace loving Muslims and as such the Sunni are compelled to kill them .
ttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/jul/07/the-persecution-of-the-ahmadis-must-not-be-allowed-to-spread
symyjym
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AlJazeera reported yesterday that 1,500 ISIS have returned to Europe with the order to terrorise. So if we add these freed terrorist and Anjem Choudary into the mix we could be in for an explosion of atrocities. This number doesn't include the many who will feed, house, and hide them or just turn a blind eye.
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Baldseagull
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That's the Ahmadiyya Muslims
Tell me about King John and Edward the II? And why do you think they can be compared with a prophet from God who is the greatest role model for the rest of mankind.
I have never prayed or worshipped any historical royalty and they only represent a figure and a story from the past, not God. Don't you understand the difference?
I am not basing what I think Islam is on anything, I am basing whether I think Mohammed was a paedophile, or not, on what I have read from various sources, I linked to one such source.
Don't you understand the difference?
symyjym
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You chose a link to the smallest sect of Islam who are considered Kafir by the majority.
Learn something from an ex Muslim, including all the usual weak apologetics:
https://youtu.be/ElM597LzxB8
looney
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And when you get memes like this were it expresses the government as malevolent things could go downhill fast.
