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[Football] Premier League club has striking off order from Registrar of Companies. Who could it be?



Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
You can also be struck off by Companies House for not filing your Annual Confirmation Statement which is entirely separate and nothing to do with the accounts.
Are you saying that 'unless cause is shown to the contrary' means something other than what Westdene Seagull said?
 




Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
30,586
Are you saying that 'unless cause is shown to the contrary' means something other than what Westdene Seagull said?

Companies House usually start strike off proceedings for 2 mainreasons:

1. Late accounts.
2. Late Annual Confirmation Statement.

Once either documents are filed that normally halts the strike-off as far as they are concerned. There's no explaining to do.
 


LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
Right, so if they haven't filed the accounts by a given date, they will be struck off, unless, er, they have filed the accounts. That's pretty ****ing dumb writing.
Yes it's basically a warning that if accounts aren't filed by that date then the registrar can strike the company off. However, as mentioned, it's also possible for HMRC (or another creditor) to oppose the striking off.

Presumably Palace owe plenty of money to a variety of companies (and HMRC) so the company isn't going to be struck off.

It's more interesting that the situation has arisen in the first place and what they don't want people to see/can't agree with the auditors. As I said earlier on the thread, my money would be on it being FFP related.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
It's more interesting that the situation has arisen in the first place and what they don't want people to see/can't agree with the auditors. As I said earlier on the thread, my money would be on it being FFP related.
I know they've wasted plenty on the likes of Benteke, but surely they haven't spent enough to break FFP have they?
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
30,586
Yes it's basically a warning that if accounts aren't filed by that date then the registrar can strike the company off. However, as mentioned, it's also possible for HMRC (or another creditor) to oppose the striking off.

Presumably Palace owe plenty of money to a variety of companies (and HMRC) so the company isn't going to be struck off.

It's more interesting that the situation has arisen in the first place and what they don't want people to see/can't agree with the auditors. As I said earlier on the thread, my money would be on it being FFP related.

Net transfer spend that season of £38.5 mill. Is that really going to kill them on FFP?
 




Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
73,737
West west west Sussex
I know they've wasted plenty on the likes of Benteke, but surely they haven't spent enough to break FFP have they?
I'd love it to be an issue surrounding the American investment.
Sadly I'm more convinced right now is going to be the most fun we can have with the story.
 


LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
I'm no expert but part of FFP is how much you pay in wages...
Of course, but it's not like they've spent like Chelsea and Man City etc.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if they'd breached this bit, especially with paying off managers etc.
They won a court case against Pulis didn't they? There are so many teams I can't believe haven't broken FFP - like Middlesbrough, Wolves etc, but I can't believe Palace have.
 




LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
Of course, but it's not like they've spent like Chelsea and Man City etc.

They won a court case against Pulis didn't they? There are so many teams I can't believe haven't broken FFP - like Middlesbrough, Wolves etc, but I can't believe Palace have.
It's based on the increase in wages from the previous year (in simple terms). Have a read of that link.

Comparison to Chelsea or City is irrelevant, it's comparison to what they spent previously that counts.
 


Papa Lazarou

Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Jul 7, 2003
18,872
Worthing
I know they've wasted plenty on the likes of Benteke, but surely they haven't spent enough to break FFP have they?

I'd imagine, given how awash with cash the Premier League is, it's not easy to break the FFP rules, although I will admit to not knowing exactly what they are (unlike those in the Championship, which I DO know)
 


LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
I'd imagine, given how awash with cash the Premier League is, it's not easy to break the FFP rules, although I will admit to not knowing exactly what they are (unlike those in the Championship, which I DO know)
It's very easy of you increase your wage bill by too much in one season. See the link above....
 




Exile

Objective but passionate
Aug 10, 2014
2,367
It's based on the increase in wages from the previous year (in simple terms). Have a read of that link.

Comparison to Chelsea or City is irrelevant, it's comparison to what they spent previously that counts.

Based on previous wage spend AND on levels of commercial income (another reason why comparison to Chelsea and City is worthless).
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
It's based on the increase in wages from the previous year (in simple terms). Have a read of that link.
Oh crickey, I had no idea those were the rules now :blush:

Comparison to Chelsea or City is irrelevant, it's comparison to what they spent previously that counts.
Understood. Is this some special deal to stop wealthy club owners challenging the agreed top 6?
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,850
Brighton
Tony Bloom has, indeed, invested hundreds of millions (not billions) into the club. He has helped the club build a fantastic new stadium and an incredible, state of the art Category One academy (I realise that a Palace fan won't know much about Category One academies, but google is your friend). We are very fortunate to have as our owner and chairman a dyed-in-the-wool true fan who, from the outset, was determined to give the club a sustainable long-term future by making significant investments in the club's infrastructure.

Just out of interest, what have the gimps who run Palace got to show for years (and hundreds of millions of pounds) of Premier League income?

Man, when you really zoom out and look at it, we are LIGHTYEARS ahead of them as a club.
 




LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
Oh crickey, I had no idea those were the rules now :blush:

Understood. Is this some special deal to stop wealthy club owners challenging the agreed top 6?
It's supposed to ensure the sustainability of clubs and stop them spending all the new TV money on wages.

That's why I think the Palace accounts fiasco is to do with this.
 




LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
Based on previous wage spend AND on levels of commercial income (another reason why comparison to Chelsea and City is worthless).
Yes that's right, and why City can flout it anyway by getting yet another Etihad style "sponsorship" deal.
 


KZNSeagull

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Nov 26, 2007
19,819
Wolsingham, County Durham
It's supposed to ensure the sustainability of clubs and stop them spending all the new TV money on wages.

That's why I think the Palace accounts fiasco is to do with this.

I agree. I seem to remember that their wage bill in their last set of published accounts was very near the mark in terms of %age of tv money. I may be wrong though.
 




Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
Yes that's right, and why City can flout it anyway by getting yet another Etihad style "sponsorship" deal.
Are UEFA, FA etc just allowing teams to submit any figure for their sponsorship deals (ie, company linked to owners pay well over the odds for a sponsorship deal)?

If so that's just dumb, and means the whole thing is pointless.
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
I agree. I seem to remember that their wage bill in their last set of published accounts was very near the mark in terms of %age of tv money. I may be wrong though.
Reading the link coolJ posted, it's not about the percentage of tv money, but the total and the increase compared to last year.
 


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