View Poll Results: Who was the best British Prime Minister of the last 60 or so years?

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  • Theresa May

    1 0.35%
  • David Cameron

    8 2.84%
  • Gordon Brown

    3 1.06%
  • Tony Blair

    72 25.53%
  • John Major

    9 3.19%
  • Margaret Thatcher

    142 50.35%
  • James Callaghan

    3 1.06%
  • Harold Wilson

    19 6.74%
  • Edward Heath

    1 0.35%
  • Harold Wilson

    15 5.32%
  • Alec Douglas-Home

    2 0.71%
  • Harold Macmillan

    6 2.13%
  • Anthony Eden

    1 0.35%
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    Quote Originally Posted by btnbelle View Post
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    The only answer to this question is Margaret Thatcher.

    Britain recovered from a 70's Labour government and BOOMED....
    Our borders were secure even if you lived in the Falklands.
    She stood up to the EU big time.
    She had vision... Wealth cascading down the generations...
    She stood up to the miners, ok some would not be happy about this, but remember the Paris climate change agreement...
    A woman in her own right with a handbag to match.....
    Think this needs a bit of balance.

    Yes the Labour govt of the late 70s was very poor. I even voted for Thatcher in the (first) election but you seem to forget that Ted Heath's govt was in power for the first half of the 70s. They were also truly dreadful (some would argue worse). I note that, to date, Ted is the only PM not to receive any votes.

    I recall the 3 day week, skipping school to attend matches at the Goldstone, and the Govt going cap in hand to the IMF for a loan. We were the laughing stock of Europe.
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      trouble is people overlook all the endemic problems caused by policies under previous PMs, industry was in decline for various reasons for decades.
      Whatever had happened before, and whatever problems she had to deal with, it was the gladiatorial approach and total lack of sympathy and compassion that she exhibited in pursuit of what she was doing that got me and, quite possible many other people.

      I felt angry from the day she was elected and she quoted Francis of Assisi on her way in to Downing Street:
      "Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.".

      She failed miserably on the discord/harmony and despair/hope fronts by anyone's assessment, surely - and on the other two as well as far as I am concerned. Se was the worst Prime Minister of the 20th Century, let alone of those listed.
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      If you consider the standard of opposition it was hardly surprising.

      You are welcome to trash my list- remember to answer my previous question too.

      Are you not also spending an unhealthy amount of time on political threads too ?
      To paint the 80s as no better in economicl terms to the 70s is as dishonest as it gets.

      so of the top of my head

      Unemployment hit record levels and, even during periods of recovery, never kept in line with growth.

      This is true, the point it didn't keep in line with Growth reflected the fact demand management was no longer effective in cutting unemployment, ie keynsian economics.

      Interest rates reached record highs.

      Im pretty certain this isn't true.

      The gender pay gap actually widened.

      This is disengenuos as the pay gap wasn't an issue then, ignoring the fact it doesn't exist. What was the focus was the participation rate which rocketed for women due to service sector employment.

      Manufacturing declined (although it was already in decline, in fairness)

      You mean manufacturing employment? This has been heading down since the mid 60s, Manufacturing OUtput increased over the 80s.

      The number of strikes in 1987/88 almost reached the same amount as ten years previous.

      Where you laughing when you typed this? After the early 80s the days lost through strikes began a longterm decline.

      Poverty (those below 60% of median income) rose by nearly 10%

      Id like to see a source for this, the poorest decile improved their position which led to the rowntree foundation rigging the figures

      Inequality (best use the recognised GINI index for this) rose by about 30%.

      Using the Gini coeficiant is a really crude measure, its greatest fall was in Russia during Stalins pogroms. No body cares about in equality, they care that the bottom of the social scale are improving their lot.


      I think folk living in the south are in a Thatcherite bubble myself.
      This "bubble" was a global event, with a the collapse of the USSR, the North, the BBC and Labour where in a bubble..
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      Are you really dumb enough (MA or not; wtf sort of crap do they teach at universities and jumped up technical colleges these days?) to realise that she bought votes by flogging off national assets to get-rich-quick voters at a knock down price? Council houses, BT, Gas, Electricity, water - anything she could flog off as a once off, never to benefit the country again.

      Greed sells. Shirley as a Tory (which you appear to be from your post) you understand this most basic value of Tory values........................ .
      Greed isn't a Tory value, its an ignorant projection. The State has no business owning companies and houses, the people buying and voting seemed to agree.

      Oh not a tory.
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      Well, actually after the recession of 1980-1982 Britain only recovered to the position that it was in 1979 by the end of the Thatcher years.

      Unemployment hit record levels and, even during periods of recovery, never kept in line with growth.

      Interest rates reached record highs.

      The gender pay gap actually widened.

      Manufacturing declined (although it was already in decline, in fairness)

      The number of strikes in 1987/88 almost reached the same amount as ten years previous.

      Poverty (those below 60% of median income) rose by nearly 10%

      Inequality (best use the recognised GINI index for this) rose by about 30%.

      (You're talking to a former business and economics student BTW)

      I think folk living in the south are in a Thatcherite bubble myself.
      Margaret Thatcher gave people a chance to make something out of their lives.

      Every Prime Minister will have faults but she did the country, the people and her party a massive amount of good.

      She is the leader we need today instead of the two parties on either side of the house of commons.
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      Margaret Thatcher gave people a chance to make something out of their lives.

      Every Prime Minister will have faults but she did the country, the people and her party a massive amount of good.

      She is the leader we need today instead of the two parties on either side of the house of commons.
      Not realised by most, but she was a nemesis of the upper class and upper middle classes, breaking up closed shops with impossibly hard entry barriers. The senior people in banking, the professions, currency and stock markets were exclusively toffs until Thatcher's government. In addition, due to credit controls it was incredibly hard until 1979 for the hoi polloi to move up the property ladder or simply move at all.
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      Margaret Thatcher gave people a chance to make something out of their lives.

      Every Prime Minister will have faults but she did the country, the people and her party a massive amount of good.

      She is the leader we need today instead of the two parties on either side of the house of commons.
      The 80's was like a bankrupt sale, the government just sold everything, and cheap. Thatcher can thank the Argies, a good old fashioned war saved her
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      The 80's was like a bankrupt sale, the government just sold everything, and cheap. Thatcher can thank the Argies, a good old fashioned war saved her
      Michael Foot and Militant were a great help.

      Five long years after the Falklands War in 1987 Neil Kinnock was equally great in boosting the Tory vote.
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      Quote Originally Posted by btnbelle View Post
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      Margaret Thatcher gave people a chance to make something out of their lives.

      Every Prime Minister will have faults but she did the country, the people and her party a massive amount of good.

      She is the leader we need today instead of the two parties on either side of the house of commons.
      How did she do that then ?

      I think there may be a rather large number of folk in many areas of the country that might want to offer a contrary opinion on that one.
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      ....and you seem to be hanging around these politics threads for an unhealthy amount of time...
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      Michael Foot and Militant were a great help.

      Five long years after the Falklands War in 1987 Neil Kinnock was equally great in boosting the Tory vote.
      All that, although a right wing media managed to successfully undermine any of Labour's efforts.
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      ....and you seem to be hanging around these politics threads for an unhealthy amount of time...

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