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    Away from Albion wildly guessing from their sofas, this is what ManU fans really think:


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    So 68% of those fans want him to stay? I'm not sure how that goes against what I said?

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      So 68% of those fans want him to stay? I'm not sure how that goes against what I said?
      Exactly, their views, but with a sizeable minority not rating Mourinho. Those criticising Mourinho are therefore not exclusively fans of other clubs. Thousands of comments from ManU fans fuming with him on their forum. I wonder if ManC fans are fearful of Mourinho bringing back the good times of SAF?
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      Exactly, their views, but with a sizeable minority not rating Mourinho. Those criticising Mourinho are therefore not exclusively fans of other clubs. Thousands of comments from ManU fans fuming with him on their forum. I wonder if ManC fans are fearful of Mourinho bringing back the good times of SAF?
      I didn't say those criticising him were exclusively fans of other teams, I said "it seems it's more fans of other teams who want him out/say he shouldn't still be in a job". When you look at comments on football articles/social media, it does appear to be fans of other teams who are shouting the loudest (lots of obsessed trolls/kids I imagine). This seems contrary to situations at other clubs, like Everton, for example, where the majority of Everton fans wanted Allardyce out, but this has received a lot of criticism from fans of other teams (not by me), who say Everton fans were expecting too much.

      He only gets this treatment because he's Mourinho/United. Objectively, he's not doing such a bad job. If you look at the players City have compared to United, they are far better. Guardiola inherited a far superior squad, and the club has recruited well. Mourinho's made clear progress since he's been at the club, and as is often said, managers need time - they are usually sacked far too quickly, which is often criticised. The opposite seems to be happening in the case of United/Mourinho.

      If there's anyone who can bring back the good times in terms of titles, it's Mourinho. Against the might of City, they'll need his tactical nous to have a chance of winning the title. He's proved time and time again he knows how to win titles. Yes, it's probably partly why fans of rivals are so against him. This (last) season, I get the sense United are a force again. I haven't felt that way about them since Ferguson left.
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      I didn't say those criticising him were exclusively fans of other teams, I said "it seems it's more fans of other teams who want him out/say he shouldn't still be in a job". When you look at comments on football articles/social media, it does appear to be fans of other teams who are shouting the loudest (lots of obsessed trolls/kids I imagine). This seems contrary to situations at other clubs, like Everton, for example, where the majority of Everton fans wanted Allardyce out, but this has received a lot of criticism from fans of other teams (not by me), who say Everton fans were expecting too much.

      He only gets this treatment because he's Mourinho/United. Objectively, he's not doing such a bad job. If you look at the players City have compared to United, they are far better. Guardiola inherited a far superior squad, and the club has recruited well. Mourinho's made clear progress since he's been at the club, and as is often said, managers need time - they are usually sacked far too quickly, which is often criticised. The opposite seems to be happening in the case of United/Mourinho.

      If there's anyone who can bring back the good times in terms of titles, it's Mourinho. Against the might of City, they'll need his tactical nous to have a chance of winning the title. He's proved time and time again he knows how to win titles. Yes, it's probably partly why fans of rivals are so against him. This (last) season, I get the sense United are a force again. I haven't felt that way about them since Ferguson left.
      Worth a punt then. The betting markets make ManU 7/1, amazing odds. Without the best part of a £B spent each on transfers by ManU and ManC, it's hard to see the others winning the league.


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      I didn't say those criticising him were exclusively fans of other teams, I said "it seems it's more fans of other teams who want him out/say he shouldn't still be in a job". When you look at comments on football articles/social media, it does appear to be fans of other teams who are shouting the loudest (lots of obsessed trolls/kids I imagine). This seems contrary to situations at other clubs, like Everton, for example, where the majority of Everton fans wanted Allardyce out, but this has received a lot of criticism from fans of other teams (not by me), who say Everton fans were expecting too much.

      He only gets this treatment because he's Mourinho/United. Objectively, he's not doing such a bad job. If you look at the players City have compared to United, they are far better. Guardiola inherited a far superior squad, and the club has recruited well. Mourinho's made clear progress since he's been at the club, and as is often said, managers need time - they are usually sacked far too quickly, which is often criticised. The opposite seems to be happening in the case of United/Mourinho.

      If there's anyone who can bring back the good times in terms of titles, it's Mourinho. Against the might of City, they'll need his tactical nous to have a chance of winning the title. He's proved time and time again he knows how to win titles. Yes, it's probably partly why fans of rivals are so against him. This (last) season, I get the sense United are a force again. I haven't felt that way about them since Ferguson left.
      That is a staunch defence of Mourinho but in reality, having spent about the same as City, they are MILES behind them. The main reason they managed to finish second is De Gea, Lukaku who was an excellent signing has also made a big difference but the rest of Unitedís players are clearly going backwards under Jose.

      I honestly feel Mourinho is having a negative rather than positive impact on United. If they and City had swapped managers at the start of the season, I believe United would have won the league this season. There is just absolutely no way they will win the league next year under Mourinho.

      He canít seem to coach players anymore, they just donít want to play fo him, and even his individual game tactics which used to be such a strength for him are letting him down as proven yesterday.

      He is a total misery these days, his bitter rants to the media seem to show a man on the edge rather than a man in total control as he seemed to be 10-15 years ago. Heís definitely on the decline, it is exactly like watching Arsene Wenger a few years ago. He even named Scott McTominay as his managerís player of the year based on 5 starts!
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      That is a staunch defence of Mourinho but in reality, having spent about the same as City, they are MILES behind them. The main reason they managed to finish second is De Gea, Lukaku who was an excellent signing has also made a big difference but the rest of United’s players are clearly going backwards under Jose.

      I honestly feel Mourinho is having a negative rather than positive impact on United. If they and City had swapped managers at the start of the season, I believe United would have won the league this season. There is just absolutely no way they will win the league next year under Mourinho.

      He can’t seem to coach players anymore, they just don’t want to play fo him, and even his individual game tactics which used to be such a strength for him are letting him down as proven yesterday.

      He is a total misery these days, his bitter rants to the media seem to show a man on the edge rather than a man in total control as he seemed to be 10-15 years ago. He’s definitely on the decline, it is exactly like watching Arsene Wenger a few years ago. He even named Scott McTominay as his manager’s player of the year based on 5 starts!
      More hyperbole due to a clear agenda against Mourihiho. That's fine, this sort of thing is common among football fans, but it's not worth debating at a serious level. For that reason, I'm out.
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      More hyperbole due to a clear agenda against Mourihiho. That's fine, this sort of thing is common among football fans, but it's not worth debating at a serious level. For that reason, I'm out.
      ĎNot worth debating at a serious levelí - condescending much?!

      Other than not liking the way he treats and coaches some of his young players, Iíve no agenda against Mourinho. I donít support United or City but I know quite a bit about football and can clearly see what is happening there.

      The fact that you canít would suggest Iíd be wasting my time trying to debate this with you anyway and I should take my superior football knowledge elsewhere.
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      More hyperbole due to a clear agenda against Mourihiho. That's fine, this sort of thing is common among football fans, but it's not worth debating at a serious level. For that reason, I'm out.
      My view is that he is obviously a good manager but totally the wrong fit for United. Their traditional exciting fast flowing attacking philosophy is out the window now. From a board position he’s done a good job but from a fans perspective I reckon plenty of United fans look at Liverpool, who finished below them, and wish they had a Klopp in charge. I suggest that if you have been brought up on the style that United have historically played it must be pretty dull watching them grind out wins and often not start playing until they are losing because Mourinho “doesn’t know how to play with the handbrake off”
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      My view is that he is obviously a good manager but totally the wrong fit for United. Their traditional exciting fast flowing attacking philosophy is out the window now. From a board position he’s done a good job but from a fans perspective I reckon plenty of United fans look at Liverpool, who finished below them, and wish they had a Klopp in charge. I suggest that if you have been brought up on the style that United have historically played it must be pretty dull watching them grind out wins and often not start playing until they are losing because Mourinho “doesn’t know how to play with the handbrake off”
      It occurred to me the other day that a perfect fit for Man U would actually be smug Eddie. He has always played attractive attacking football and is capable of changing games with his substitutions so has proved to be tactically aware. I think with the spending power at United he would be a success. Perhaps a change from the special one to the smug one one suit Man United
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      More hyperbole due to a clear agenda against Mourihiho. That's fine, this sort of thing is common among football fans, but it's not worth debating at a serious level. For that reason, I'm out.
      Obviously it's only one person but a mate of mine is a massive Red. He had a huge rant on his Facebook yesterday, culminating in this gem:

      "Moureen, please stop the pathetic blame game and do one.
      Or learn what United have always tried to be about, excitement and the joy of football, you self centred bellend!
      Don't hold out much hope on either of those fronts for next season, so likely to be more of the same tedious, turgid, fear ridden crap"


      He was in the United end when we played up there and favourably contrasts Hughton who seems to have massive respect in the PL.

      Mourinho IS ruining Pogba. He's been shit in every game I've seen him in this season (twice live, several times on telly) and that's too many for a supposedly world class player who cost what he cost. Recruitment is also dubious. As soon as Lukaku got injured they had no focal point at all up front. Even we had the option of Ulloa if something happened to Murray. And I very much agree that they would have struggled even more without De Gea, we all saw at the Amex how he's the best in the business. Second and a cup final is ostensibly ok but at the end of the day it's no trophy and a very poor Champions League campaign by their standards. Plus they lost to all three newly promoted sides.

      All the above means it is at least worth debating. The fact that you won't suggests that you can't.
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