[Football] England being overrated again

Poyningsgull · May 17, 2018

I notice on the current FIFA world rankings, England are 13th and Tunisia are 14th but we are massively odds on and Tunisia are up to 9-1 and around 4-1 for the draw.

What is it with people thinking we just have to turn up to beat teams like Tunisia who are absolutely no mugs. I think we will do well to get out of the group and think 9-1 against Tunisia is a bit of an insult.

I obviously hope we do well but have no great hopes.

Carrot Cruncher · May 17, 2018

If you can get 4/1 on the draw, then I suggest you fill your boots, especially if you feel that it's over priced.

Poyningsgull · May 17, 2018

Carrot Cruncher said:
If you can get 4/1 on the draw, then I suggest you fill your boots, especially if you feel that it's over priced.

I intend to just that.

SAC · May 17, 2018

Poyningsgull said:
I notice on the current FIFA world rankings, England are 13th and Tunisia are 14th but we are massively odds on and Tunisia are up to 9-1 and around 4-1 for the draw.

What is it with people thinking we just have to turn up to beat teams like Tunisia who are absolutely no mugs. I think we will do well to get out of the group and think 9-1 against Tunisia is a bit of an insult.

I obviously hope we do well but have no great hopes.

Exactly who is saying this? No one I know, no one I have seen on NSC or in the press.

Carrot Cruncher · May 17, 2018

Have to say, with England being notoriously slow starters, that 4/1 seems like free money.

mejonaNO12 aka riskit · May 17, 2018

I think the main issue that puts me off the draw/Tunisia win is that England have better footballers....

Poyningsgull · May 17, 2018

SAC said:
Exactly who is saying this? No one I know, no one I have seen on NSC or in the press.

The bookies obviously.

Poyningsgull · May 17, 2018

mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
I think the main issue that puts me off the draw/Tunisia win is that England have better footballers....

As we did against Iceland et al.

Notters · May 17, 2018

SAC said:
Exactly who is saying this? No one I know, no one I have seen on NSC or in the press.

The bookies? I think that was his point.

Though I presume the odds are just a reflection of the fact that FAR more people in England are going to put money on England than Tunisia, and therefore they have relatively low odds for England to win as they'd lose a lot if they did. I say this as someone who knows nothing about betting.

Simster · May 17, 2018

There is never any value in a bet on England at the major tournaments. Never has been, never will be. Odds are warped by the sheer number of patriotic bets made in this country.

All the value is on the draw, IMO. I don't think 9 or 10/1 on Tunisia is bad value, but I just don't think they'll win. I reckon the chances of a draw are MUCH lower than 1 in 5 though!

Cowfold Seagull · May 17, 2018

Poyningsgull said:
I notice on the current FIFA world rankings, England are 13th and Tunisia are 14th but we are massively odds on and Tunisia are up to 9-1 and around 4-1 for the draw.

What is it with people thinking we just have to turn up to beat teams like Tunisia who are absolutely no mugs. I think we will do well to get out of the group and think 9-1 against Tunisia is a bit of an insult.

I obviously hope we do well but have no great hopes.

Ask that very same question again prior to the 2022 World Cup, (should we qualify), and it will be equally applicable.

Nothing ever changes.

Easy 10 · May 17, 2018

The bookies know that LOADS of people will do a 'loyalty bet' on England to win, which is why the odds they give for that are always so mingey. They're not going to over-expose themselves with more generous (and realistic) odds. I gather we're about 4/11 with most bookies for the win. I'd still have us odds on, but not by that much. Maybe about 1/2.

mejonaNO12 aka riskit · May 17, 2018

I think we can all agree that if Esperance's Ghaylene Chaalali can really turn on the flair he is know for, and Club African's Saber Khalifa can find his shooting boots, then we are in REAL trouble.

Stat Brother · May 17, 2018

Is it possible to bet on a country in a less patriotic market?

Could I set up an account to bet on England through, say, a a German bookmaker?

ManOfSussex · May 17, 2018

mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
I think we can all agree that if Esperance's Ghaylene Chaalali can really turn on the flair he is know for, and Club African's Saber Khalifa can find his shooting boots, then we are in REAL trouble.

But Al Duhail's Youssef Msakni is out of the tournament, so they best they can hope for is a draw.

Brovion · May 17, 2018

Poyningsgull said:
I notice on the current FIFA world rankings, England are 13th and Tunisia are 14th but we are massively odds on and Tunisia are up to 9-1 and around 4-1 for the draw.

What is it with people thinking we just have to turn up to beat teams like Tunisia who are absolutely no mugs. I think we will do well to get out of the group and think 9-1 against Tunisia is a bit of an insult.

I obviously hope we do well but have no great hopes.

I agree. I think I even saw a post on here saying we 'should' beat Tunisia and Panama. Where have these people been for the last 50 years? There's no 'should' about it. As you pointed out Tunisia are only ONE place behind us in the rankings. And yes I know the rankings are bollocks - there's no way we should be as high as 13th. But they are a rough guide.

Cowfold Seagull · May 17, 2018

mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
I think we can all agree that if Esperance's Ghaylene Chaalali can really turn on the flair he is know for, and Club African's Saber Khalifa can find his shooting boots, then we are in REAL trouble.

Equally l think we can all agree that if the likes of Harry Kane, Jamie Vardy et al, have their shooting boots on, and do what they are capable of doing week in and week out in the Premier League, then Tunisia are in even DEEPER trouble.

And I think that we can also all agree, that it is never, ever, as simple as that.

Perkino · May 17, 2018

10-12 years ago we had an unbelievable squad of players with only the left of midfield being a weakness with Joe Cole being played out of position. Every other footballer was playing in their favored position for a top side and some potentially in the top 5 for that position. We didn't even make the semi-finals and lost everytime we played a decent side.

Now we are a shadow of the side who between them had several premier league winners medals as well as a few champions league winners. Now we have no real stand out talents but expect to win against lesser, better organised and disciplined opposition. We have no chance of winning and will probably be knocked out in the group stages as there are no world-class players in our side and they don't have the capacity to battle against the best

Mo Gosfield · May 17, 2018

Stat Brother said:
Is it possible to bet on a country in a less patriotic market?

Could I set up an account to bet on England through, say, a a German bookmaker?

You can, but be warned, almost all German online bookmakers are unlicensed. All betting shops in Germany are state controlled and offer less attractive odds.

Thunder Bolt · May 17, 2018

Easy 10 said:
The bookies know that LOADS of people will do a 'loyalty bet' on England to win, which is why the odds they give for that are always so mingey. They're not going to over-expose themselves with more generous (and realistic) odds. I gather we're about 4/11 with most bookies for the win. I'd still have us odds on, but not by that much. Maybe about 1/2.

Bookies want mug's money.

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