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[Football] England 2018 World Cup Squad - No Hart, no Wilshere...
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HastingsSeagull
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Wellbeck? Seriously?
seagulls4ever
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- Oct 2, 2003
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From the BBC:
They've missed out at least a couple of players there.
They've missed out at least a couple of players there.
Kalimantan Gull
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Don't be daft, that squad would challenge for the title
Kane Vardy Sterling - they would score so many goals in the league
Welbeck can play in a few positions, which is key in a squad - Same with Delph
Kalimantan Gull
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There will be differences of opinion on pretty much every selection, bar Harry Kane, but seriously, can ANYONE suggest a SINGLE REASON why Danny Wellbeck should be included in that squad?
Sure. Assuming we don't change the formation, who is backup to Kane in that team as a forward to lead the line? Vardy and Rashford are different styles of player. I might have preferred to see Glenn Murray or Andy Carroll there, but there needs to be someone and that man is Welbeck
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Stop it.
Nixonator
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Curb your expectations right now for your own sake. It is the worst squad in (my) living memory.
ifightbears
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Personally i want to see:
Pickford
Stones
Dier
Walker
Trippier
Henderson
Rose
Ligard
Ali
Sterling
Kane
Essentially bypass the midfield.
Pickford
Stones
Dier
Walker
Trippier
Henderson
Rose
Ligard
Ali
Sterling
Kane
Essentially bypass the midfield.
Kalimantan Gull
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Of course we're not going to win the world cup or get close. They haven't had any substantive game time together and the formation is still new. World Cup's are won by teams that have been playing together for a long time with settled formations. I'm just pointing out that if you gave them a good manager, had them training together and playing together week in week out, that squad would challenge for the premier league title
seagulls4ever
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I'd go with a Liverpool-style 4-3-3
Pickford
Rose
Stones
Jones
Walker
Henderson
Alli
Dier
Vardy
Kane
Sterling
Might score a few goals
Pickford
Rose
Stones
Jones
Walker
Henderson
Alli
Dier
Vardy
Kane
Sterling
Might score a few goals
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
There will be differences of opinion on pretty much every selection, bar Harry Kane, but seriously, can ANYONE suggest a SINGLE REASON why Danny Wellbeck should be included in that squad?
15 in 37
Tournament experience (2012, 2014, 2016)
There's nobody else
I don't particularly rate the fella either, but the England cupboard is bare. In the absence of any viable alternatives, he's gone with experience. Much as I'd LOVE to have seen Glenn on the plane (after all, he does actually offer something else to what we've taken), it was never gonna happen was it.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Well,I'm naturally an optimist,but Panama must be confident now.
If that's the best you can do, you've just reinforced my point. Wellbeck can't play Kane's role. No chance. He's physically weak, poor in the air, his touch is embarrassingly poor - he'd never be able to protect the ball long enough to involve others. All he can do is hang around the near the goal and hope the ball bounces off him in the right direction.
Forwards who I genuinely would have taken over Wellbeck:
Callum Wilson - strong, quick, decent finishing. Everything Wellbeck is not.
Andy Carroll - no fan especially, but at least he offers a 'plan B'
Glenn Murray - has massively outperformed DW this season - would prove an excellent foil for Vardy / Rashford if Kane were missing.
Peter Crouch - too old, too slow, but still offers more than Wellbeck.
Jermaine Defoe - we don't need him, as he'd be behind both Vardy and Rashford for the same role, but I'd rather have him on the end of a chance than Wellbeck.
Dominic Calvert-Lewin - not ready, but capable, and at least taking him might have a long term benefit.
Sam Ovett
The New Manager Bus
No Dunk = No care
Shall we look a little closer at those stats?
He has scored ONE goal across those three tournaments.
He scored just ONE goal in Internationals since March 2015, and that was the fourth in a 4-0 against Malta.
Kalimantan Gull
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I didn't say it was a good plan, but thats why hes there.. I don't know much about Wilson but there must be some reason why there hasn't been a sniff of interest by England. Carroll I'm surprised hes slipped so far off the radar. He'd be the one for me. Crouch, Defoe, DCL, would definitely pick Welbeck over them, because too old / too slow / wrong role / not ready are all good reasons. And our Glenn - well it was always ridiculous wasn't it - but on form he should be going.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Well if you can tell me the bloke we've left behind who's scored a hatful of goals in recent tournaments or internationals, then I'm all ears.
Ninja Elephant
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- Feb 16, 2009
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I feel Hans Kray's pain at seeing Welbeck in the squad, it's a pain I know only too well..
I don't dislike Welbeck as much but he is particularly weak. Callum Wilson is very unlucky not to be thought about, Glenn would have done a job for sure and Ryan Sessegnon of Fulham has only missed out because he's at Fulham.
It's also interesting to me that Walcott wasn't considered again. Having made the 2006 squad, he's missed out in every squad since and I can't imagine there's another player in world football who went to a World Cup at 16, but was never selected again despite playing in the Premier League and semi-regularly for England throughout his career.
I don't dislike Welbeck as much but he is particularly weak. Callum Wilson is very unlucky not to be thought about, Glenn would have done a job for sure and Ryan Sessegnon of Fulham has only missed out because he's at Fulham.
It's also interesting to me that Walcott wasn't considered again. Having made the 2006 squad, he's missed out in every squad since and I can't imagine there's another player in world football who went to a World Cup at 16, but was never selected again despite playing in the Premier League and semi-regularly for England throughout his career.