[Music] Cliff v BBC

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 18, 2018

No smoke without fire............

(I wrote that knowing that some people will nod in agreement, illustrating my real point, that reputation-ending allegations from which the accused will never recover, should never be made public until and unless there is a conviction).

AmexRuislip · Jul 18, 2018

It's a harrowing experience for all involved, with a media experience before and after.

Southern Scouse · Jul 18, 2018

I admit I love Aunty B.
However FOR GOD’S SAKE..... just how much of the news does it have to take up

Trump? Tesla guy apologising? MP quitting
Come on?

Leekbrookgull · Jul 18, 2018

Sir Cliff Richard and the BBC.

Can it get any worse for the BBC ? Often held out as a signing light in news reporting across the globe,yet that was again before 24/7/365 let alone social media.

Jim in the West · Jul 18, 2018

The BBC is pretty much a joke as a news organisation. Good for MOTD, Test Match Special, and Wimbledon, but not much else.

Weststander · Jul 18, 2018

Really pleased for him. The grandstanding BBC, after receiving a snide call from the Police, sent an expensive helicopter up and fuelled his trial by public opinion. Mud sticks and all that.

After the Savile scandal, it seemed that the Police and BBC went to the other extreme.

BN9 BHA · Jul 18, 2018

Congratulations Cliff

del strangefish · Jul 18, 2018

Kitty

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 18, 2018

Mods please merge with Cliff thread (sigh)

Beach Hut · Jul 18, 2018

I think Cliff was absolutely correct to do this but how on earth did they come to such an large fee the BBC has to pay ?

Super Steve Earle · Jul 18, 2018

Now let's get the Simon Mayo show back on R2 with his proper team.

Goldstone1976 · Jul 18, 2018

Weststander said:
Really pleased for him. The grandstanding BBC, after receiving a snide call from the Police, sent an expensive helicopter up and fuelled his trial by public opinion. Mud sticks and all that.

After the Savile scandal, it seemed that the Police and BBC went to the other extreme.

I’m guessing you haven’t read the judgment?

The judge was deeply scathing about many of the BBC folk who gave evidence (and none of the SYP people). He found that the initial contact to SYP was by the BBC journalist, who led the police to believe that if they didn’t cooperate with him, he would arrange for the story to be published before the police were ready to do the raid.

According to the Judge, the BBC were focussed pretty much only on retaining the scoop - to the extent of being in breach of contract with ITN (who will presumably now sue too?). The BBC had a joint contract with ITN concerning the use of the chopper - they should have informed them when they mobilised it. They didn’t.

The £210k awarded is just the start - loss of income and costs still to be awarded.

This will run and run.

Weststander · Jul 18, 2018

Goldstone1976 said:
I’m guessing you haven’t read the judgment?

The judge was deeply scathing about many of the BBC folk who gave evidence (and none of the SYP people). He found that the initial contact to SYP was by the BBC journalist, who led the police to believe that if they didn’t cooperate with him, he would arrange for the story to be published before the police were ready to do the raid.

According to the Judge, the BBC were focussed pretty much only on retaining the scoop - to the extent of being in breach of contract with ITN (who will presumably now sue too?). The BBC had a joint contract with ITN concerning the use of the chopper - they should have informed them when they mobilised it. They didn’t.

The £210k awarded is just the start - loss of income and costs still to be awarded.

This will run and run.

Being honest, I didn't. Thank you letting me know the truth.

My view of the BBC on the whole saga remains the same - very poor, with a News of the World approach to journalism.

LVGull · Jul 18, 2018

Beach Hut said:
I think Cliff was absolutely correct to do this but how on earth did they come to such an large fee the BBC has to pay ?

Because he knows something about high profile people. He is not the squeaky clean guy he portrays allegedly.

Withdean and I · Jul 18, 2018

I felt the BBC coverage was utterly wrong from the start. What happened to innocent until proved guilty? Glad that justice has been done.

Pavilionaire · Jul 18, 2018

Not the BBC 's finest hour.

The Antikythera Mechanism · Jul 18, 2018

Congratulations Kitty.

Goldstone1976 · Jul 18, 2018

Weststander said:
Being honest, I didn't. Thank you letting me know the truth.

My view of the BBC on the whole saga remains the same - very poor, with a News of the World approach to journalism.

I think the BBC come out of this in an extremely poor way indeed. It’s hard to see how at least two of those involved will keep their jobs. They, like others in the media, are focussing now on how the judgment brings the whole of reporting possible criminal acts before charges have been laid into question. This despite the Judge explicitly saying that he sees nothing in his judgment that creates new law; it’s just that the facts of this specific case go against the BBC.

Very shoddy. The BBC should reflect more on the fact that the Judge said he couldn’t trust the evidence of some of their employees and that, in his view, pretty much their sole concern was retaining the scoop that their journalist had initially got from a tip-off from, most likely, the Met.

Weststander · Jul 18, 2018

Goldstone1976 said:
I think the BBC come out of this in an extremely poor way indeed. It’s hard to see how at least two of those involved will keep their jobs. They, like others in the media, are focussing now on how the judgment brings the whole of reporting possible criminal acts before charges have been laid into question. This despite the Judge explicitly saying that he sees nothing in his judgment that creates new law; it’s just that the facts of this specific case go against the BBC.

Very shoddy. The BBC should reflect more on the fact that the Judge said he couldn’t trust the evidence of some of their employees and that, in his view, pretty much their sole concern was retaining the scoop that their journalist had initially got from a tip-off from, most likely, the Met.

Following the trial early on, the judge and barristers seemed to face sleazy arrogance and resistance, like extracting teeth, from a couple of the key BBC protagonists. No contrition, even slightest of regrets, compassion.

LVGull · Jul 18, 2018

Kitty, Kitty, Kitty. Do not be fooled by Kitty.

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