[News] Two shootings in north London - 17yo girl dead

Seasidesage · Apr 3, 2018

Pathetic failure of successive governments to legalise drugs. As drug use becomes more prevalent the money to be earned from it increases and the violence used to control it becomes worse. Until we wake up realise this is a war that cannot be won. People will continue to die, both from the drugs themselves and from gang related violence.

More aggressive stop and search would help but only taking the huge incentive away from dealing will make a significant difference.

looney · Apr 3, 2018

The new normal

lawros left foot · Apr 3, 2018

I heard an ex gang member talking on the radio, saying there are a number of reasons for knife crime. Most are committed by blacks, but, (his words) you’re not allowed to say that, most are kids from single parent families, but, again , you’re not allowed to say that, a lot are done under the coercion of adults, but, you’re not allowed to say that.
He also said that the cuts to youth clubs, outreach centres, community programs to get kids away from gangs, have had a massive effect. Some of these kids only have the gangs, nobody else gives a toss about them.

looney · Apr 3, 2018

NooBHA said:
This is a ''whole of society'' problem. T

No it isn't. statistics will bare that out. As the white population was never consulted on mass immigration why should they care?

Leekbrookgull · Apr 3, 2018

Black on Black . Who really cares ?

beorhthelm · Apr 3, 2018

lawros left foot said:
He also said that the cuts to youth clubs, outreach centres, community programs to get kids away from gangs, have had a massive effect. Some of these kids only have the gangs, nobody else gives a toss about them.

thing is, i grew up in the countryside where there weren't any clubs, "outreach centres", etc and there was no gang violence. we had sense of repercussion for bad behaviour and if you did something and someone saw or knew about it, your parents/police were told about it.

Wellesley · Apr 3, 2018

lawros left foot said:
I heard an ex gang member talking on the radio, saying there are a number of reasons for knife crime. Most are committed by blacks, but, (his words) you’re not allowed to say that, most are kids from single parent families, but, again , you’re not allowed to say that, a lot are done under the coercion of adults, but, you’re not allowed to say that.
He also said that the cuts to youth clubs, outreach centres, community programs to get kids away from gangs, have had a massive effect. Some of these kids only have the gangs, nobody else gives a toss about them.

Didn't he mention Donald Trump?

lawros left foot · Apr 3, 2018

beorhthelm said:
thing is, i grew up in the countryside where there weren't any clubs, "outreach centres", etc and there was no gang violence. we had sense of repercussion for bad behaviour and if you did something and someone saw or knew about it, your parents/police were told about it.

Maybe, just maybe, there was no gang violence, because there were no gangs?

lawros left foot · Apr 3, 2018

Spicy said:
The communities in these areas need to take some responsibility as I do not believe they don't know who is in what gang and what the latest grievances are. Rather than inform the police in the hope of bringing an end to the violence they keep schtum for fear of being called a grass. Youngsters need to be stopped and searched, irrespective of their nationality, ethnicity, age. The police have a job to do but they cannot do it alone and they need intelligence gathering within the local community in order for police operations to be successful.

I think they keep schtum more because they don’t want to be burnt out of their homes, or have themselves or their loved ones stabbed, than being called a grass.

Thunder Bolt · Apr 3, 2018

Razor gangs in Brighton in the 30s and 40s as depicted by Graham Greene. Who are we to point the finger at London?

Flick knives, teddy boys, mods and rockers, skinheads, punks. Gangs are as old as the hills, and not confined to blacks.

I worked as a council youth worker two evenings a week, on a tough council estate. Give kids something to do, play sport, and get involved, instead of tut tutting and saying 'kids today'. Get them off the streets, and help them, but unfortunately, with some parents, they're doomed from the start.

Spicy · Apr 3, 2018

lawros left foot said:
I think they keep schtum more because they don’t want to be burnt out of their homes, or have themselves or their loved ones stabbed, than being called a grass.

That may be right but isn't that just perpetuating the vicious circle for themselves.

lawros left foot · Apr 3, 2018

Spicy said:
That may be right but isn't that just perpetuating the vicious circle for themselves.

In a perfect world, you are right, but, when the Police can’t e trusted ( for various reasons) to keep you and yours safe if you do grass. When the gangs are so pervasive in the areas, that any suspicion that you’ve informed on them is tantamount to a nailed on case proved. Gangs don’t need evidence to be beyond responsible doubt, a rumour is often enough.

Fitzcarraldo · Apr 3, 2018

Leekbrookgull said:
Black on Black . Who really cares ?

Shame on you.

The Clamp · Apr 3, 2018

Fitzcarraldo said:
Shame on you.

Quite. I was going to post the same but couldn't bring myself to dignify the idiot with a response.

Fitzcarraldo · Apr 3, 2018

lawros left foot said:
He also said that the cuts to youth clubs, outreach centres, community programs to get kids away from gangs, have had a massive effect. Some of these kids only have the gangs, nobody else gives a toss about them.

This. This is what helps. Mentoring programs as well - things like Safer London. They are mostly vulnerable kids, who, as you say, need somebody else to give a toss about them.

El Presidente · Apr 3, 2018

Leekbrookgull said:
Black on Black . Who really cares ?

The parents of the 17 year old girl who was murdered for a start.

Take a holiday from NSC

wellquickwoody · Apr 3, 2018

The Clamp said:
Theresa The Razor May has blood on her hands.

dazzer6666 · Apr 3, 2018

Leekbrookgull said:
Black on Black . Who really cares ?

Sake.

Arkwright · Apr 3, 2018

Fitzcarraldo said:
This. This is what helps. Mentoring programs as well - things like Safer London. They are mostly vulnerable kids, who, as you say, need somebody else to give a toss about them.

I'd love to agree but most of these gang members are not the type to be part of Youth Clubs or respond to any form of mentoring. Simply they are out of control.
Those who blame the police are so wrong, bring back stop and search, if you have nothing to hide you won't mind being stopped. Most Old Bill have body cameras to protect themselves and those being stopped and searched.
I'm not saying go back to the dark days but the police need to be given greater powers to protect the public from this gangland mentality.
Last, parents need to be able to discipline their kids
The parents must be aware of what is going on.

Guinness Boy · Apr 3, 2018

Leekbrookgull said:
Black on Black . Who really cares ?

Well done. You win the prize for the shittest post ever on NSC.

Your poorly spelled, attention seeking, alt-right-lite threads have been annoying for a good while. You’ve shown your true colours with that nonsense though :nono:

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