[Cricket] Aussie Cheats!

Tom Hark Preston Park · Mar 29, 2018

hans kraay fan club said:
Not at all. But nor do I think there wasn't an opportunity to say "No, I'm having no part of it".

Fair enough. But the peer pressure on the lad to comply by one of the vastly more experienced 'management group of players' must have placed him in a really shit position. For which I have a certain amount of sympathy.

hans kraay fan club · Mar 29, 2018

Normal Rob said:
Genuine question - would those asking him to do it have a significant say in team selection for future tests? Or is selection done by another commitee? If the former then i would say there was a lot of pressure to comply.

Only Smith of those implicated, would have any say in team selection, and if we are to entirely believe their current version of the truth, Smith only found out after the plan was hatched. They tell us the coach knew nothing, either.

So, if we choose to believe their story, the only pressure on him, at the point he agreed to cheat, was from the force of personality of Warner.

Perry Milkins · Mar 29, 2018

hans kraay fan club said:
Only Smith of those implicated, would have any say in team selection, and if we are to entirely believe their current version of the truth, Smith only found out after the plan was hatched. They tell us the coach knew nothing, either.

So, if we choose to believe their story, the only pressure on him, at the point he agreed to cheat, was from the force of personality of Warner.

Have we seen Davy give a press conference and weep yet?

Questions · Mar 29, 2018

Me and my Monkey said:
Oh, I know. My husband and a lot of his pals are huge cricket fans, and I do understand what a big thing it is, what tits these boys were and had been in many other ways, and how they have let down so many people. But I just don’t like to see grown men cry, and where Smith and Bancroft are concerned I really think the enormity of what they have done, and how they’ve affected people close to them as well as the wider world, has now truly dawned on them. Call me a softie, but is it not time to start accepting that they are genuinely remorseful, and move on? Not sure about that Warner fellow, though, I’ve yet to see him crying at his press conference.

They should save their tears for others not themselves. Unless they genuinely have a ‘disorder’, which changes things and where we will of course show them all the sympathy they showed Trott.

LlcoolJ · Mar 29, 2018

hans kraay fan club said:
We all appreciate that you Australians are hurting over this, but your #whataboutism in attempts to dilute the offence, cut no ice at all.

Argue all you like, that picking the seam, or wiping your hand on your suncream, then the ball, or accidentally treading on it in your follow-through, are all at the thinner end of the same wedge. Argue all you like that its the ICC's fault for not being stricter in the past.

But none of it changes how calculated and serious an offence these players have committed. None of it.

Like this you mean. :lolol:

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket...de-a-mistake-by-standing-on-the-ball-13989980

Thunder Bolt · Mar 29, 2018

ManOfSussex said:
Just a shame that Cricket Australia have let things sink to this over nearly the last 5 years on Lehmann's watch before acting.

Lehmann is now going after this tour despite saying he wouldn't resign.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43584435

Gwylan · Mar 29, 2018

Lehmann's now gone. His position was really untenable

Time for Justin's new broom

Thunder Bolt · Mar 29, 2018

Me and my Monkey said:
Oh, I know. My husband and a lot of his pals are huge cricket fans, and I do understand what a big thing it is, what tits these boys were and had been in many other ways, and how they have let down so many people. But I just don’t like to see grown men cry, and where Smith and Bancroft are concerned I really think the enormity of what they have done, and how they’ve affected people close to them as well as the wider world, has now truly dawned on them. Call me a softie, but is it not time to start accepting that they are genuinely remorseful, and move on? Not sure about that Warner fellow, though, I’ve yet to see him crying at his press conference.

They can be genuinely remorseful but still have to take the punishment for it. Ask any judge in a court.

hans kraay fan club · Mar 29, 2018

Blind Pugh said:
Have we seen Davy give a press conference and weep yet?

Not yet.

Dave has released a statement saying that "Mistakes were made", and that he's going to "spend time with his family, and comment further next week"

Tom Hark Preston Park · Mar 29, 2018

Blind Pugh said:
Have we seen Davy give a press conference and weep yet?

Doubt we'll be seeing that psycho weep anytime soon.

Clive Walker · Mar 29, 2018

at the end of the day it is still only a game! Yes, its cheating but in the grand scheme of things the reaction from everyone (the pm of oz included) is way way way over the top.

Lower West Stander · Mar 29, 2018

Me and my Monkey said:
Anyone else starting to feel just a little bit sorry for them now?

None whatsoever.

They deserve everything they get. Their nasty bullying behaviour has come home to roost.

And Warner is just pond life.......

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Blue3 · Mar 29, 2018

hans kraay fan club said:
I suspect you meant 'plaintive'.

'plaintiff' is just about the opposite of what Steve Smith is, regards this affair...

Oops yes thank you

Kinky Gerbil · Mar 29, 2018

I really dont understand why we should feel sorry for them.

The only reason they are sorry is because they got caught, they would still be doing it in the next test if not.

Also think the length of the ban is because Cricket Australia expect more to be found as the hours of footage is looked through in the next few weeks.

clarkey · Mar 29, 2018

Kinky Gerbils said:
I really dont understand why we should feel sorry for them.

The only reason they are sorry is because they got caught, they would still be doing it in the next test if not.

Also think the length of the ban is because Cricket Australia expect more to be found as the hours of footage is looked through in the next few weeks.

Have to wonder what the Aussie broadcasters know about, but chose not to show in recent home series.

LlcoolJ · Mar 29, 2018

clarkey said:
Have to wonder what the Aussie broadcasters know about, but chose not to show in recent home series.

Indeed. Especially as it seems it was only Fanie de Villiers telling the cameramen to look out for something that caught them out. This would not have happened in Australia.

http://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...-tip-off-that-revealed-ball-tampering-scandal

Is it PotG? · Mar 29, 2018

The OTHER BG sums it up.

BensGrandad · Mar 29, 2018

Smith crying at the Press Conference made me laugh and I thought serves you right, man up.

vegster · Mar 29, 2018

Tom Hark said:
You think a rookie Test Match player concocted up that plot to cheat all by himself? Really?

I'm with you, I think there was a culture of pushing the envelope,as it were, and probably all of the squad have cheated or been party to it or tacitly accepted it. I remember that Gilchrist took some flak from his teammates when he "walked" . This current lot are much less likely to walk.

Dr. No · Mar 29, 2018

Me and my Monkey said:
Anyone else starting to feel just a little bit sorry for them now?

No.

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