[News] Tom Daley announces baby news

The Clamp · Feb 15, 2018

Honky Tonx said:
Whoever makes the dicision is going to leave themselves open to all sorts of accusations. Not a choice I would like to make.

A homophobe and a coward who doesn't hold himself to the same standards as he holds others and doesn't have the courage of his convictions. Nice.Maybe you are a real Christian after all. Your "religion" really has been the making of you!

jonnyrovers · Feb 15, 2018

goldstone said:
Sorry, but it's a basic thing for me. I'm not the slightest bit religious, but marriage is an arrangement between a man and a woman. That's it. Has been for thousands of years and worked pretty well. The law is an ass, to quote Mr Bumble.. And I'm not in favour of single males or single females having children on their own by choice.. If a marriage or partnership breaks down and one of the couple has to bring up the child on his/her own, then regrettable but has to be done. There are many many statistics to confirm that children do better when brought up in two parent (one of each sex) family environment.

As for the child being conceived "naturally", I think you'll find it unlikely that it was conceived naturally by the two guys that are now going to pretend to be its parents.

The big question for me is, would I piss on you if you were on fire?

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The Clamp · Feb 15, 2018

jonnyrovers said:
The big question for me is, would I piss on you if you were on fire?

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And where are these supposed statistics!

symyjym · Feb 15, 2018

Stat Brother said:
I have no intention of indulging you, or laying my personal life out for you to pick over.
Suffices you have no idea about the adoption process, so once again I ask you to stick to what you do know about.

You mean to say the candidates don't have to have an IQ of 90 or more?

darkwolf666 · Feb 15, 2018

The Clamp said:
A disadvantage? Well, okay but my opinion is it's not a disadvantage. I would assume new parents who happen to be gay are subject to the same social service checks and support as any new parent. Probably more so.

Why more rigorous checks, what are you suggesting?

wellquickwoody · Feb 15, 2018

Hotchilidog said:
As someone who was successfully raised by an amazing single parent, spare me the every child needs a mother and father bollocks, it is quite frankly offensive.

It may be your opinion, but it is categorically wrong and whether intentionally or not it cast aspersions on those not brought up in the "traditional family unit".

If you do not like being called out for a bigoted opinion then think before you speak.

I too was raised by a single parent, a mother in fact, in an era less tolerant than now. Would our lives have been better with a father figure around? Probably.

And there is the crux, probability. Of course a child being raised by loving parent(s) is the aim, whether they are the biological parents or not. Is it better for a child to be raised by two same sex adults rather than having a life in care? Of course it is. Should people be able to have babies to order to suit their lifestyle? Not in my opinion.

Oh, and do drop the 'offensive' twaddle bit, it wasn't, unless you choose to be.

The Clamp · Feb 15, 2018

darkwolf666 said:
Why more rigorous checks, what are you suggesting?

Yes, you're quite right. My slip up there.

LamieRobertson · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
I too was raised by a single parent, a mother in fact, in an era less tolerant than now. Would our lives have been better with a father figure around? Probably.

And there is the crux, probability. Of course a child being raised by loving parent(s) is the aim, whether they are the biological parents or not. Is it better for a child to be raised by two same sex adults rather than having a life in care? Of course it is. Should people be able to have babies to order to suit their lifestyle? Not in my opinion.

Oh, and do drop the 'offensive' twaddle bit, it wasn't, unless you choose to be.

Do you think that applies to fem/male couples....or are you saying that to be gay is a lifestyle choice?

wellquickwoody · Feb 15, 2018

LamieRobertson said:
Do you think that applies to fem/male couples....or are you saying that to be gay is a lifestyle choice?

Yes, it should apply to mixed sex couples too.

The Clamp · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
Yes, it should apply to mixed sex couples too.

You think being gay is a lifestyle choice?

wellquickwoody · Feb 15, 2018

The Clamp said:
You think being gay is a lifestyle choice?

No, but I didn't need to answer the second part of the question as I had already answered the first part. But you wanted to be clever, unlucky.

More strange but true news apparently.......

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43071901

Would it be a good idea for children to be placed into this modern relationship?

The Clamp · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
No, but I didn't need to answer the second part of the question as I had already answered the first part. But you wanted to be clever, unlucky.

More strange but true news apparently.......

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43071901

Would it be a good idea for children to be placed into this modern relationship?

Wasn't trying to be clever. It was a fairly natural assumption to make because when you were asked by another poster if you think being Gay is a lifestyle choice you started your next post with the word "Yes". No harm intended, I wasn't sure that's what you meant so I was clarifying.

As for the link. What's the problem with a woman breastfeeding her partner's baby?

Baldseagull · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
No, but I didn't need to answer the second part of the question as I had already answered the first part. But you wanted to be clever, unlucky.

More strange but true news apparently.......

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43071901

Would it be a good idea for children to be placed into this modern relationship?

On what basis would they not be suitable?

wellquickwoody · Feb 15, 2018

The Clamp said:
Wasn't trying to be clever. It was a fairly natural assumption to make because when you were asked by another poster if you think being Gay is a lifestyle choice you started your next post with the word "Yes". No harm intended, I wasn't sure that's what you meant so I was clarifying.

As for the link. What's the problem with a woman breastfeeding her partner's baby?

Baldseagull said:
On what basis would they not be suitable?

So, one woman chooses not to breast feed her baby, her female partner was so happy with this decision that she decided to ingest loads of drugs to allow her to produce beast milk that she could not produce naturally. Hardly seems the most stable relationship.........

LamieRobertson · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
Yes, it should apply to mixed sex couples too.

Ok...so how are you distinguishing the two then....what determines the lifestyle choice

The Clamp · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
So, one woman chooses not to breast feed her baby, her female partner was so happy with this decision that she decided to ingest loads of drugs to allow her to produce beast milk that she could not produce naturally. Hardly seems the most stable relationship.........

Not for you to say really. There's three people in that family and you're not one of them so I wouldn't get too fussed about if if I were you, Nobody is being harmed.

wellquickwoody · Feb 15, 2018

The Clamp said:
Not for you to say really. There's three people in that family and you're not one of them so I wouldn't get too fussed about if if I were you, Nobody is being harmed.

Being too fussed, and trying to garner the opinions of others are two very different things.

The Clamp · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
Being too fussed, and trying to garner the opinions of others are two very different things.

Yes they are. You're doing both. Although I suspect you are not too concerned with the opinions of others. With that in mind, I must retire to my bed. I'm up early and wish to read a bit of Colin Dexter before I drift off. Night night, sleep tight, don't let the homosexuals bite.

wellquickwoody · Feb 15, 2018

LamieRobertson said:
Ok...so how are you distinguishing the two then....what determines the lifestyle choice

I used the term 'babies to order', and I did not differentiate between same sex and mixed sex couples. You brought up the term 'lifestyle choice', perhaps you should clarify what you mean?

LamieRobertson · Feb 15, 2018

wellquickwoody said:
I used the term 'babies to order', and I did not differentiate between same sex and mixed sex couples. You brought up the term 'lifestyle choice', perhaps you should clarify what you mean?

I didn’t refer to your comment re babies to order and you are correct you didn’t use the term lifestyle choice....but you did refer to lifestyle.
My questions were to try and fully understand where you were coming from.

You talk about babies to order...what about young children....teenagers...do you think gay couples should not be foster parents?

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