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    shopping is a leisure activity and social one too for the youth. Brighton is busier than i remember many years ago, as is Eastbourne, Tunbridge Wells. maybe smaller town centres, or those without a focal point are declining but large ones with the "go to" shops aren't going anywhere.
    It'll peak and downturn.
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      Would it not be cheaper to re instate the tram system that was about in the 50s but obviously updated.Perhaps they could look at 1 sq mile car exclusion zone from the old clocktower cross roads except taxis any time and delivery vehicles at certain specified times ie 8pm -8am.
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      We can't even build a by-pass for Worthing and Arundel....
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      Underground trains, monorail and tram systems all require massive infrastructure to operate, so would be prohibitively expensive to introduce.

      Electric automated shuttle buses, operating on regular routes throughout the city centre would require zero new infrastructure and are already in public use in Australia.

      If the council had the will they could invest in a fleet of these today, pedestrianise the city centre, and reduce pollution and increase public safety in one.
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      The local councils in Sussex arent the slightest bit interested in improving anyone's lot with helpful schemes. They'd prefer to just throw up high rise monstrosities in Shoreham and Lancing to rake in millions of pounds in Council Tax. The people who have to live under the shadow of these blocks can go whistle.
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      It will take a little longer in London maybe but Brighton city centre will be unrecognisable in 10 - 20 yrs.
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      In the last 16 years the number of cars on the road has increased by 5.5 million.
      That figure has shown a steady rise with absolutely no sign of abating.

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/...nited-kingdom/
      You can't do sums. That graph you link says the increase over last 16 years is 3.9m. not 5.5m

      That's not really an increase in relative terms as the population has increased by about 6million in that period so 3.9m is pretty much what we'd expect to see.

      What neither you nor The Clamp take into account is the dramatic change that is going to be rendered by autonomous cars. Predicting traffic for 20 years time is pretty much akin to those predictions in the 1880s that London would be deep in horse droppings in 30 years. The arrival of self-driving vehicles is going to completely disrupt all transport predictions ... and Brighton won't be immune from this.
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      We can't even build a by-pass for Worthing and Arundel....
      Exactly

      Anybody thinking any major new transport system could be introduced is clearly a little bit special.
      To then think it could be none on the cheap is worrying.

      Edinburgh's tram system opens – £375m over budget and three years late
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      We're stuck with what we've got, they'll be no new trams, undergrounds, ferries, jet packs and sadly no waterslides.

      What has to happen is the current infrastructure needs to be made to work for everybody and moved away from being so car-centric.
      That isn't to be done in a punitive way, ie even more expensive parking etc, but in such an all encompassing way that leaves us thinking 'I'm not going to drive into Brighton because x,y &z are better'.
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      You can't do sums. That graph you link says the increase over last 16 years is 3.9m. not 5.5m

      That's not really an increase in relative terms as the population has increased by about 6million in that period so 3.9m is pretty much what we'd expect to see.

      What neither you nor The Clamp take into account is the dramatic change that is going to be rendered by autonomous cars. Predicting traffic for 20 years time is pretty much akin to those predictions in the 1880s that London would be deep in horse droppings in 30 years. The arrival of self-driving vehicles is going to completely disrupt all transport predictions ... and Brighton won't be immune from this.
      Autonomous cars will only make town centres less traffic busy. How will robot cars save department stores?
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      You can't do sums. That graph you link says the increase over last 16 years is 3.9m. not 5.5m
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      When a new ground was suggested on the Shoreham Power Station site an underground system for access was suggested IIRC it was estimated the cost would be about £80m per mile so the cost of a city underground system would be prohibitive.better off providing some bike stands for attaching bikes to but make sure that the riders adhere to the traffic regulations.re 1 way street, pavements traffic lights etc.

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