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    A sad indictment of our society that these cases are often exploited to advance a particular political agenda.
    This is my concern.

    What happened was wrong. Very wrong. Let's not deny that.

    But I am concerned that an agenda is being advanced through a populist move to put the boot into NGO groups.

    Some folk will not just want to correct short comings at the time. They will want to destroy the sector- as they have done for a long time. We never hear of the outstanding work that is done. We just hear when something goes wrong. And the sector is large enough to find enough stories. And if you don't you can always make one up.
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      It amazes me that this is even political. The issue is there is high number of men, whether it be rich, poor, left or right are unable to behave in an appropriate manor, if they fill they can get away with it. It really is as simple as that.
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      Everyone knows if there was any chance to have a go at the Tories you'd be all over this exploiting every last drop of the victim's misery.
      Like you and your swivel eyed mates do at every occasion you mean
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      This is my concern.

      What happened was wrong. Very wrong. Let's not deny that.

      But I am concerned that an agenda is being advanced through a populist move to put the boot into NGO groups.

      Some folk will not just want to correct short comings at the time. They will want to destroy the sector- as they have done for a long time. We never hear of the outstanding work that is done. We just hear when something goes wrong. And the sector is large enough to find enough stories. And if you don't you can always make one up.
      True on the other hand the reputational damage to supposedly worthy institutions has been used as an excuse to hide/ignore the abuse. See Catholic Church ,BBC.
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      It amazes me that this is even political. The issue is there is high number of men, whether it be rich, poor, left or right are unable to behave in an appropriate manor, if they fill they can get away with it. It really is as simple as that.
      Indeed, reported today the husband of a recently murdered MP has in the past had an allegation of inappropriate behaviour passed to the local Police where he worked for a charity at the time.
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      Like you and your swivel eyed mates do at every occasion you mean
      Feel free to quote/link to an example where I have.
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      i know it's a parody Twitter account but this really is the only solution for Oxfam. Their credibility hinges upon doing precisely this:

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      Whilst absolutely abhorrent, this actually happened in 2012. It is being reported now because Jacob Rees Mogg is calling for foreign aid to be reduced.

      A billionaire advocating taking money from the world's poorest. The media need to report on aidworkers when they are terrible but the timing is strange
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      This is my concern.

      What happened was wrong. Very wrong. Let's not deny that.

      But I am concerned that an agenda is being advanced through a populist move to put the boot into NGO groups..
      I think this is partly because some NGOs have gained the reputation for haranguing and guilt-tripping and at a time when a lot of Western nations are taking their commitment to international development aid extremely seriously. Consequently, they then take on the appearance, less of a charity taking direct and hands-on action to save lives but more like a political lobby.

      Taking Oxfam specifically, only a few weeks ago they published a report about billionaires owning half the world's resources with what many see as a very simplistic, crude and unhelpful measure of who is and isn't wealthy. There are very legitimate problems but they didn't acknowledge that absolute poverty has reduced by half since the World Bank global poverty line was set up in 1990. It looked suspiciously like an attack on Western capitalist economies which as an argument completely collapses when you see how poverty has reduced in China since they've opened up their markets. Oxfam admits that it isn't necessarily politically neutral but they do seem overly critical of certain governments and silent on others so I'd say it's lost sight a bit of its impartiality.

      This (flawed) attack on capitalism in itself is fair enough but their report about the top 1% also looks odd when they pay some of their top executives so much that they fall into the 1% themselves. I've no problem with at at all, they need the best talent to do the best job in tackling famine but if Oxfam have a problem with it then why are they party to it? And now we read about villas being rented for their executives. I think in this instance Oxfam can expect some payback.

      But you're right also about how this undermines a lot of the work that so many NGOs do. I've worked for Save The Children International and for Cancer Research, both huge NGOs and both really do make a difference with staff that are dedicated to their vocation. I can honestly say I've never heard of Save The Children renting villas. I've seen the pictures of their living accommodation, I've seen the invoices too and this includes Haiti. I've seen workers give talks about what they do, the conditions that they work under and they deserve medals. These Oxfam execs need to be hung out to dry for dragging everyone down.
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      Whilst absolutely abhorrent, this actually happened in 2012. It is being reported now because Jacob Rees Mogg is calling for foreign aid to be reduced.

      A billionaire advocating taking money from the world's poorest. The media need to report on aidworkers when they are terrible but the timing is strange
      Very interesting.
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