Thunder Bolt
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If you read my post 58, I said arson is a crime ('is' being present tense).
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If you read my post 58, I said arson is a crime ('is' being present tense).
portslade seagull
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The same as the supposed deserters who were actually shell shocked in WW1
Whatever.
Pavilionaire
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Remainers are told they only want a second referendum to avoid Brexit, and whilst this is undeniably a factor for me it is just as important to have a referendum when people know what is at stake and - crucially - without the nonsense that went with the last one, i.e. £350 million a week for the NHS, the threat of an Emergency Budget, the disinformation from Brexiteers who said nobody was talking about leaving the Single Market, the Cameron/Osborne-led Project Fear and so on.
Going back to Corbyn, for him to ignore the opinion on the biggest topic of the age of the majority of left-leaning voters in this country is political suicide.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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Permanently banned am I?
That’s useful to know as nobody has had the good decency to let me know that fact or what heinous crime I must have committed to be banned permanently from that particular thread (and the Trump thread now) but not others like this one?
The good news for me is that Brexit related bantz seep into other threads so I can still skip down memory lane with all the old mattress dampers from the Brexit thread..........until I get banned again that is!
If the law on smoking cannabis is ever changed it won’t mean that the current law on cannabis will be viewed as having been fundamentally wrong and unfair. Whereas the law against homosexuality is now deemed as being fundamentally wrong and unfair.
The Spanish
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he may not be power hungry but i feel he is certainly very vain
It may not be easy but it's still official Labour policy to scrap tuition fees
1066familyman
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- Jan 15, 2008
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Intersectionality perhaps
Nah you're right, it's because the OP is a right winger who can't stop being terrified of Corbyn, despite buggering off to the other side of the world.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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I know, I was agreeing with you!
This. Also, as a cunning politician who is prepared to sacrifice all principles to gain power, he's an utter fail. Which paradoxically appeals to many.
Mind you, if labour had the other Milliband as leader now, firmly resolved to not Brexit if no sensible deal can be done, they would be 30% ahead in the polls. Momentum
dingodan
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Who said nobody was talking about leaving the single market? Who implied that we would stay in the single market after we leave?
Old labour was always opposed to the EU (as is Corbyn) for protectionist reasons (i.e., opposing letting in low paid foreigner workers so big business can reduce costs) so the shift back to old labour will nip all that in the bud. Not that Corbyn will be eloquent in this regard.
1066familyman
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- Jan 15, 2008
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Point of order: SOME women were given the vote in 1918.
Do you believe that women's "contribution to the war effort" was a bigger influence in winning SOME women the vote than acts of 'terrorism'? I certainly don't.
Thunder Bolt
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Yes, I do. It was the first time women had died whilst serving. They also worked as railway guards, ticket collectors, buses and tram conductors, postal workers, police, firefighters and as bank ‘tellers’ and clerks. Some women also worked heavy or precision machinery in engineering, led cart horses on farms, and worked in the civil service and factories.
Also don't forget the Suffragists didn't believe in breaking the law, but campaigned lawfully, writing letters and marching. The Suffragettes were the extremists.
I know that only some women got the vote at first, but it was also at the same time as working class men got the vote. That's why I believe the war had a big effect.
1066familyman
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Fair enough, but working class women were working their fingers to the bone long before the war came along.
Personally I believe that direct action gives decision makers much more to think about and more often than not, speeds up change. The Suffragettes were very much a case of needs must.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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Come on, aspects of that last post are beneath you. You are an unvarnished remainer and to your credit you would accept a 2nd referendum for any reason, that I completely appreciate. I disagree with you, but the candour is refreshing in this debate.
To link it to the narrative that voters didn’t know that “Leave” meant exiting the single market is quite simply not true.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/voting-leave-meant-leaving-single-market-voters-knew/
The truth is that a) voters were regularly told that we would have to leave the single market not by leave politicians but by the remainers. This was an integral part of project fear. Mandelson rolled this narrative out a few weeks ago on Marr only for his record pre-referendum to be highlighted were he was at hustings stating that very point. And b) Voters knew that staying in the single market would not mean “taking back control” as we would have to abide by the EU’s rules (including freedom of movement). In the build up to the referendum Cameron had sought concessions but got nothing. The truth of the matter is that EU took a punt at that point and made the wrong call.
Re: Corbyn, as I have stressed a million times before, Corbyn’s pro EU support are not left wing. They are supporting an institution that is in thrall to global finance and corporatists. It’s why the pro EU vanguard is the massed ranks of the likes of Goldman Sachs, the IOD and CBI. If these are left wingers, then I’m a chinaman.
topbanana36
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Of course they were working their fingers to the bone, but it was generally at home, or in service. In other words, domestic work. Even nursing was more domestic work, than actual medicine.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Here's two for starters - Tory MEP and Brexiteer Daniel Hannan "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market". Tory Brexit MP Owen Paterson: "Only a madman would leave the Single Market."