[Football] Touching-up v Snowflakes

alfredmizen said:

There are people on here who are far more upset about this event than the countless cases of muslim grooming gangs judging by their comments.

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dingodan said:

I haven't dismissed those things at all, I've said they are being made out to be the "nature of the night", when they clearly were not. Like I said before the only "pervasive" behaviors (i.e. described as being more than one occasion) were the hands on hips and backs parts, but the details seem to be being deliberately muddled up, like for example you saying "guys getting their c*cks out" plural. It happened once from what I can tell. That's one drunk pervert, and it's unacceptable, but you and others are taking those incidents, which I abhor too, and replacing the pervasive behaviors, which I think were largely harmless (the hand holding etc) with these incidents.

Those incidents on their own are disguising, and if reported on and responded to honestly, nobody would disagree with that. But the reporting, and the responses, haven't been honest, they have deliberately muddled the facts to make them fit an agenda, and it's that which I have been objecting too, all the while being described as someone who is "defending sexual assault and harassment", when I have done nothing of the sort.

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The Clamp said:

I genuinely welcome both sides of the story. I would like to hear more of the other side. Whether I agree or not I think it's more productive than one side just slinking off. Also I doubt everybody attending went with the intention of feeling women up and I'm certain not everyone did, those that didn't partake of the sleaze have every right to have their say.

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marlowe said:

Are you being deliberately obtuse? You are misinterpreting really basic English. I do not believe your level of understanding is that compromised and you are clearly intentionally misinterpreting everything I say for the sake of having an argument. But instead of looking to have an argument with someone for something they have said you appear to want to argue against something that hasn't been said. It all seems a bit pointless to me and rather odd.

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melias shoes said:

That's a first. We're in agreement. What about corbyn getting rid of Mandelson? I sense corbyn saw it as the perfect opportunity to sack him considering he's been one of the more vocal in his disapproval of corbyn. Yet he lets all his anti Semitic friends remain.

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The Antikythera Mechanism said:

It was Lord Mendelsohn not Peter Mandelson

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nicko31 said:

Sounds like a pretty dull evening TBH

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melias shoes said:

That's a first. We're in agreement. What about corbyn getting rid of Mandelson? I sense corbyn saw it as the perfect opportunity to sack him considering he's been one of the more vocal in his disapproval of corbyn. Yet he lets all his anti Semitic friends remain.

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BadFish said:

https://www.ft.com/content/fb21b910-01c4-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

Apparently the Attorney- general has called on witnesses and victims to come forward in spite of the NDA's gagging them. Hopefully this will shed some light on what actually happened that night. Although I am sure these will be accompanied by more mealy mouthed excuses on NSC.

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dingodan said:

I haven't dismissed those things at all, I've said they are being made out to be the "nature of the night", when they clearly were not. Like I said before the only "pervasive" behaviors (i.e. described as being more than one occasion) were the hands on hips and backs parts, but the details seem to be being deliberately muddled up, like for example you saying "guys getting their c*cks out" plural. It happened once from what I can tell. That's one drunk pervert, and it's unacceptable, but you and others are taking those incidents, which I abhor too, and replacing the pervasive behaviors, which I think were largely harmless (the hand holding etc) with these incidents.

Those incidents on their own are disguising, and if reported on and responded to honestly, nobody would disagree with that. But the reporting, and the responses, haven't been honest, they have deliberately muddled the facts to make them fit an agenda, and it's that which I have been objecting too, all the while being described as someone who is "defending sexual assault and harassment", when I have done nothing of the sort.

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Ernest said:

Perhaps they could pay their taxes

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dingodan said:

I haven't dismissed those things at all, I've said they are being made out to be the "nature of the night", when they clearly were not. Like I said before the only "pervasive" behaviors (i.e. described as being more than one occasion) were the hands on hips and backs parts, but the details seem to be being deliberately muddled up, like for example you saying "guys getting their c*cks out" plural. It happened once from what I can tell. That's one drunk pervert, and it's unacceptable, but you and others are taking those incidents, which I abhor too, and replacing the pervasive behaviors, which I think were largely harmless (the hand holding etc) with these incidents.

Those incidents on their own are disguising, and if reported on and responded to honestly, nobody would disagree with that. But the reporting, and the responses, haven't been honest, they have deliberately muddled the facts to make them fit an agenda, and it's that which I have been objecting too, all the while being described as someone who is "defending sexual assault and harassment", when I have done nothing of the sort.

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Iggle Piggle said:

As an aside, I was at Haydock on Saturday and ran into a friend of a friend. He is normally there with a couple of others who weren't there explaining that HMRC had done them for Jimmy Carr style tax avoidance schemes. The horses and foreign properties have gone (1st world problems I know) and they are skint. Whilst I don't know how many others have had the letter in the post, ancedotally it looks like some chickens have come to roost. It cheered me up anyway, because one of them was are complete bell.

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Fitzcarraldo said:

Throughout your posts you continually seem to be trying to minimise what happened by stating 'hands on hips and hands on backs.' In the article it states 'hostesses reported men repeatedly putting their hands up skirts' then re the hand holding that it was 'a prelude to pulling the women on their laps' amongst other similar examples that go beyond what you describe as harmless behaviour.

You are defending defending sexual assault and harassment.

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The Clamp said:

I genuinely think he does not understand he is doing it. I think a lot of people on here are subconsciously dismissing what went on as harmless fun because they cannot deal with shifting times. Thankfully this mentality is less and less tolerated and more and more exposed for what it is: At best wilful ignorance, at worst misogyny.

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melias shoes said:

That's a first. We're in agreement. What about corbyn getting rid of Mandelson? I sense corbyn saw it as the perfect opportunity to sack him considering he's been one of the more vocal in his disapproval of corbyn. Yet he lets all his anti Semitic friends remain.

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knocky1 said:

Mendelsohn. Not much chance of Mandelson grabbing pussy.

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Iggle Piggle said:

As an aside, I was at Haydock on Saturday and ran into a friend of a friend. He is normally there with a couple of others who weren't there explaining that HMRC had done them for Jimmy Carr style tax avoidance schemes. The horses and foreign properties have gone (1st world problems I know) and they are skint. Whilst I don't know how many others have had the letter in the post, ancedotally it looks like some chickens have come to roost. It cheered me up anyway, because one of them was are complete bell.

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