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[Albion] Player Ratings - Chelsea (H)
- Thread starter Skaville
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That won't go down well.
You may well end up right, but to some "eez one our of own" can do no wrong.
jonny.rainbow
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- Oct 29, 2005
- 6,607
I’m amazed by how many people are rating Propper higher than Stephens.
Propper is our worst offender for ball watching. Watch their second goal. All stemmed from one of Propper’s trademark lapses.
Propper is our worst offender for ball watching. Watch their second goal. All stemmed from one of Propper’s trademark lapses.
Ninja Elephant
Doctor Elephant
- Feb 16, 2009
- 18,855
Ryan 7 No chance with the goals and made the saves you'd expect your goalkeeper to make.
Schelotto 9 Mental how good he was after how ordinary he has seemed before today, incredibly aggresive performance.
Goldson 5 Totally exposed by the formation and stitched up with the movement of Hazard and Willian.
Duffy 4 Dreadful performance in all aspects, dire positionally.
Dunk 6 Uncomfortable with the position and struggled with some of his range of passing.
Suttner 5 A couple of good attacking involvements but dreadfully exposed at times and he shouldn't have been.
Stephens 6 Getting a bit of a hammering, he was outclassed but that's not unreasonable. Pivotal for us in our team.
Propper 7 He shouldn't be kept on the leash, there's really no benefit. Let him roam or drop Gross, start Kayal and push Propper on.
Gross 5 Totally out of his comfort zone today, offered nothing bar a few good passes here and there.
March 4 No idea why he started the game, none. Hopelessly out of place, tactically and technically.
Hemed 5 Tough ask for him today and a poor performance.
Subs
Kayal 6 Showed the fighting spirit we needed from the start, he should have been in the team ahead of Gross.
Murray 5 Not fair to judge really, but he was on long enough to have done SOMETHING!
Izquierdo N/A Should have started instead of Solly March, odd that he wasn't in the team.
Hughton 0 Tactically terrible, didn't make any changes to help the team. Badly outclassed today.
Schelotto 9 Mental how good he was after how ordinary he has seemed before today, incredibly aggresive performance.
Goldson 5 Totally exposed by the formation and stitched up with the movement of Hazard and Willian.
Duffy 4 Dreadful performance in all aspects, dire positionally.
Dunk 6 Uncomfortable with the position and struggled with some of his range of passing.
Suttner 5 A couple of good attacking involvements but dreadfully exposed at times and he shouldn't have been.
Stephens 6 Getting a bit of a hammering, he was outclassed but that's not unreasonable. Pivotal for us in our team.
Propper 7 He shouldn't be kept on the leash, there's really no benefit. Let him roam or drop Gross, start Kayal and push Propper on.
Gross 5 Totally out of his comfort zone today, offered nothing bar a few good passes here and there.
March 4 No idea why he started the game, none. Hopelessly out of place, tactically and technically.
Hemed 5 Tough ask for him today and a poor performance.
Subs
Kayal 6 Showed the fighting spirit we needed from the start, he should have been in the team ahead of Gross.
Murray 5 Not fair to judge really, but he was on long enough to have done SOMETHING!
Izquierdo N/A Should have started instead of Solly March, odd that he wasn't in the team.
Hughton 0 Tactically terrible, didn't make any changes to help the team. Badly outclassed today.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
- 10,675
Ryan 6 - Not a lot he could do about the goals and a couple of excellent saves to keep us in it up until the last 15 minutes
Schelotto 8.5 - superb performance - should keep Bruno out of the team for the next couple of games
Suttner 6 - Decent enough
Dunk 5 - Some goood - some bad - not up to his usual high level
Duffy 4 - Struggled with the new formation. Got in Goldson's way too often. Would like to see the BFG start for the next game
Goldson 6 - Best of the centre backs.
Stephens 5.5 - Not a bad game, but.... every game he seems to give away a stupid freekick outside the box. Normally when the attacker has got two defenders in front of him.
Propper 7 - Really good today, playing a bit further forward brought out the best in him
March 7 - deserved his starting nod, hope he builds on it ( but suspect rotation will see knocky back instead)
Gross 5 - not so great today.
Hemed 6 - should have scored. But other than that had a decent enough game
Schelotto 8.5 - superb performance - should keep Bruno out of the team for the next couple of games
Suttner 6 - Decent enough
Dunk 5 - Some goood - some bad - not up to his usual high level
Duffy 4 - Struggled with the new formation. Got in Goldson's way too often. Would like to see the BFG start for the next game
Goldson 6 - Best of the centre backs.
Stephens 5.5 - Not a bad game, but.... every game he seems to give away a stupid freekick outside the box. Normally when the attacker has got two defenders in front of him.
Propper 7 - Really good today, playing a bit further forward brought out the best in him
March 7 - deserved his starting nod, hope he builds on it ( but suspect rotation will see knocky back instead)
Gross 5 - not so great today.
Hemed 6 - should have scored. But other than that had a decent enough game
Marshy
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Ryan 7
Schelotto 9
Suttner 6
Dunk 6
Duffy 5
Goldson 6
Propper 7
Stephens 7
Gross 6
March 7
Hemed 6
Schelotto 9
Suttner 6
Dunk 6
Duffy 5
Goldson 6
Propper 7
Stephens 7
Gross 6
March 7
Hemed 6
- Jun 27, 2012
- 13,881
Such as ? What could he have done. He made 5 changes to the team, picked an entirely different formation, played 3 at the back for the first time and brought on all 3 subs.
Is it bring Baldock and Izquierdo on earlier ? Anything else ?
All this about Stephens and his passing. Granted, some of them might go astray - but looking at any stats site shows his successful pass rate is about 85%, better than any other player we have. And looking at this diagram, in the Chelsea game his pass rate was 88% - higher than his average. And the arrows don't really reflect this negativity about all his passes being backwards or sideways, according to the more detailed stats 36% of his passes against Chelsea were backwards.
Ninja Elephant
Doctor Elephant
- Feb 16, 2009
- 18,855
Not played a formation which allowed Hazard and Willian all the time and space they could possibly want, with our three centre backs marking just one striker and leaving space all over the place.
The tactics were wrong, the lack of balls to change the shape when it was clear we were hopelessly exposed is just as bad. There was never a chance that he would change the shape, despite the obvious failure of the tactics - and that cost us the game. Chelsea were there for the taking really, but we played so completely into their hands.
That said, we did have a go, but that's the very minimum in a game of football.
Brighton Mod
Its All Too Beautiful
The description of Duffy being punch drunk is right on the nail. Been like it for a few games now, not sure whats going on with him, does he have some distraction off the field?
aolstudios
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He's looked shattered for a couple of months
Probably been booted out by the Mrs for shagging munters from Lancing.
Withdean11
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Ryan - 6
Schelloto - 8
Goldson - 5
Duffy - 5
Dunk - 5
Suttner - 6
Stephens - 6
Propper - 6.5
Gross - 6.5
March - 6
Hemed - 5.5
Schelloto - 8
Goldson - 5
Duffy - 5
Dunk - 5
Suttner - 6
Stephens - 6
Propper - 6.5
Gross - 6.5
March - 6
Hemed - 5.5
He did have a massive clash of heads to be fair........
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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It'd be interesting to see just how many managers have changed to a back 3 against Chelsea to combat their system this year. I'd wager a fair few.
As we saw at the weekend, they actually press as a front 3 to lull all 3 CBs into thinking they're marking someone, but when on the ball, they drop into really intelligent positions between the wide CBs and the midfield pair who are often caught between pressing (in this case Kante and Bakayoko) or dropping to shield the space that the front 3 (in this case Willian and Hazard) want to drop into. That plus the interchangeability actually make it debatable whether a back 3 is the way to go as often (as you pointed out) only one striker is actually being marked but there's a load of space free for attackers to roam into because our midfield two aren't sure whether to sit or press. It would probably make more sense to pick a back four against them and then have two deeper midfielders sit to pick up the space. Allowing Kante and Bakayoko the space to dictate the game from deeper positions could be a problem, but if you cut off the passing lanes into Hazard and Willian/Pedro and cut out the space they have to work in, then there's potentially a winning defensive formula there.
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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He'd made his share of mistakes well before that point, unfortunately.
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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All interesting. I think the biggest issue with Stephens is that when he gets caught in possession, commits a foul or gets dispossessed, it's always in an awful position which, at this level, tends to lead to the opposition creating chances or having a shot on goal. At the weekend, the only person dispossessed more than him was Hemed, and alongside Duffy he committed the most fouls. Because of the above stated reasoning, it just sticks in the mind that bit more...
Marshy
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Duffy's levels may have dropped slightly but a long way from being left out of the side for me.
Stephens getting a hard time from Saturday also uncalled for, I thought he had a decent game, it bloody hard work in there, especially with the likes of Hazzard and Willian dropping into those areas.
Stephens getting a hard time from Saturday also uncalled for, I thought he had a decent game, it bloody hard work in there, especially with the likes of Hazzard and Willian dropping into those areas.