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[Albion] Norwich's position on 19th January 2014 under Hughton



GT49er

GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
46,715
Gloucester
warmleyseagull said:
It’s actually Hyypiä but let’s try not to trivialise over spelling.

Criticism, doubt. comment are not moaning. I am not a bandwagonner. For what it’s worth I think we should keep CH if relegated, he has proved to be a top Championship manager.

Norwich were probably wrong to sack him; but does that mean no-one can question anything he does without being dubbed a moaner or a CH outer?

Are you content with performances against top 6 so far? It could change of course, but what is your view on those games to date?
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You rather missed the point of my first post, before embarking on your attack on it. Many of us have been critical of some aspects of CH's tactics (I said as much in my second post, but you seem to have missed that). Criticism and debate is one thing; what is not required is for this board to become a festering bed of 'Hughton out' calls, which is what the OP was hinting at or edging towards.
Glad you now agree with me on the correct spelling oh Hyypia though! :thumbsup:
 




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Gazz15

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May 13, 2014
518
Newhaven
GT49er said:
You rather missed the point of my first post, before embarking on your attack on it. Many of us have been critical of some aspects of CH's tactics (I said as much in my second post, but you seem to have missed that). Criticism and debate is one thing; what is not required is for this board to become a festering bed of 'Hughton out' calls, which is what the OP was hinting at or edging towards.
Glad you now agree with me on the correct spelling oh Hyypia though! :thumbsup:
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He didn't spell it wrong did he. I suggest you South Western apes continue to drag your knuckles around the Gloucester area.:guns:
 
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TSB

TSB

Captain Hindsight
Jul 7, 2003
17,666
Lansdowne Place, Hove
Brighton Mod said:
We were warned by Norwich fans what to expect from CH. Nice and popular guy, not confrontational or outspoken, but we were warned. Another debacle from CH and his PL dreams will end and wil be considered a Neil Warnock character of getting teams to the the PL but not to stay. I truly hope we are wrong, but I can not really see any change in his strategy this Saturday. WBA was about the easiest game we had to play and failed in all areas off and on the pitch, reality check required from some on here. Expect no change, because he can't.
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Brighton Mod said:
Which part?
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These parts.

Brighton Mod said:
We were warned by Norwich fans what to expect from CH. Nice and popular guy, not confrontational or outspoken, but we were warned. Another debacle from CH and his PL dreams will end and wil be considered a Neil Warnock character of getting teams to the the PL but not to stay. I truly hope we are wrong, but I can not really see any change in his strategy this Saturday. WBA was about the easiest game we had to play and failed in all areas off and on the pitch, reality check required from some on here. Expect no change, because he can't.
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One more 'debacle' will not end our chances of staying up.
Since he's never been relegated from the PL, only you will be comparing him to Neil Warnock.
'Because he can't'. Yeah, ok, except that he's played three different formations the time that he has been here and the last two years sent out to destroy teams at home.

So, yeah, all that.

he isn't popular and a nice guy?
failure to keep us up will not affect his reputation?
West Brom wasn't the easiest game we will have?
he will change the game plan and team strategy against Chelsea and West Ham?

According to your reply you agree with the above
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My reply does not endorse any of those suggestions. Just slams your original post as 'pathetic'.
 




surlyseagull

surlyseagull

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Aug 23, 2008
839
Gazz15 said:
Yeah we must go for teams throats, no more of this queuing up to get the likes of Salah's autograph by our players, that was heartbreaking to hear at the time.
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Yes but Kayal was twisting his tackle (scus the pun ) at the time.
 




Brighton Mod

Brighton Mod

Its All Too Beautiful
Dec 30, 2012
2,614
Where the Horse crossed the Bridge
TSB said:
These parts.



One more 'debacle' will not end our chances of staying up.
Since he's never been relegated from the PL, only you will be comparing him to Neil Warnock.
'Because he can't'. Yeah, ok, except that he's played three different formations the time that he has been here and the last two years sent out to destroy teams at home.

So, yeah, all that.

My reply does not endorse any of those suggestions. Just slams your original post as 'pathetic'.
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You're answer says nothing and responds to only on element of the question, whilst refering to the future, which none of us can forecast. Would one of those team formations be when we destroyed Bristol City? I love your use of the English language and poetic licence, its opinions thats all.
 


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HalfaSeatOn

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Mar 17, 2014
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North West Sussex
Excellent post, Scunner. These are an important 4 months for CH. Just like Knockhaert, I can see him developing a reputation as being too good for the championship and not good enough for the premier league. He has a very deliberate approach but it has become very one dimensional, easily read and now more likely to lead to defeat. Also, if you give up on the top 6 it puts massive pressure on non top 6 matches and a disproportionate response to defeat such as at WBA
 


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Lifelong Supporter

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Aug 4, 2009
2,053
Burgess Hill
kevtherev said:
Biggest problem for me is with each passing game, the more negative we become. When surely the opposite is what's needed. If we are going to go down, I can accept that. What I can't except is going down, whist on the ropes just covering up. Because your scare of getting hit to hard.
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The last home game we won scoring 2 goals and the game before that we drew scoring 2 goals. I do not regard that as negative.
 






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HalfaSeatOn said:
Excellent post, Scunner. These are an important 4 months for CH. Just like Knockhaert, I can see him developing a reputation as being too good for the championship and not good enough for the premier league. He has a very deliberate approach but it has become very one dimensional, easily read and now more likely to lead to defeat. Also, if you give up on the top 6 it puts massive pressure on non top 6 matches and a disproportionate response to defeat such as at WBA
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I did not see us give up against Liverpool. Did you ?
 


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Lifelong Supporter

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Aug 4, 2009
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Burgess Hill
Jimmehh said:
Great post... except this...

The current stats are that every single team except Brighton in the premier league this season has got at least a point off of a 'Top Six' team...

So actually, everybody gets points off of a Top 6 team, except Brighton so far.
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We have only played one of the top six at home apart from Man City in the first game when we were bedding in. Also we were worth something at Old Trafford where we performed exceedingly well.
 




Moshe Gariani

Moshe Gariani

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Mar 10, 2005
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HalfaSeatOn said:
Excellent post, Scunner. These are an important 4 months for CH. Just like Knockhaert, I can see him developing a reputation as being too good for the championship and not good enough for the premier league. He has a very deliberate approach but it has become very one dimensional, easily read and now more likely to lead to defeat. Also, if you give up on the top 6 it puts massive pressure on non top 6 matches and a disproportionate response to defeat such as at WBA
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I love the different ways people are dressing up their criticism of our brilliant manager...

"Too negative"
"No Plan B"
"Poor use of substitutes"
"Clueless approach to playing Top 6"

Very familiar with the above thanks to NSC.

"Too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League" is a nice addition.

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Jimmehh

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Mar 21, 2016
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Lifelong Supporter said:
We have only played one of the top six at home apart from Man City in the first game when we were bedding in. Also we were worth something at Old Trafford where we performed exceedingly well.
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So but what? We’ve played two at home, Liverpool and City, and we deserved no points in either.

United away yes fair enough, but ‘deserving points’ doesn’t keep us up at the end of the season
 


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Lifelong Supporter

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Aug 4, 2009
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Burgess Hill
Moshe Gariani said:
I love the different ways people are dressing up their criticism of our brilliant manager...

"Too negative"
"No Plan B"
"Poor use of substitutes"
"Clueless approach to playing Top 6"

Very familiar with the above thanks to NSC.

"Too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League" is a nice addition.

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I have not seen them mention one manager who is available and would do a better job. It is easy to criticise.
 








Moshe Gariani

Moshe Gariani

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Mar 10, 2005
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Lifelong Supporter said:
I have not seen them mention one manager who is available and would do a better job. It is easy to criticise.
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I wouldn't encourage them. It is also easy for the miserablists to bandy names about of managers who would supposedly come in and make a difference with the same players...

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warmleyseagull

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Apr 17, 2011
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GT49er said:
You rather missed the point of my first post, before embarking on your attack on it. Many of us have been critical of some aspects of CH's tactics (I said as much in my second post, but you seem to have missed that). Criticism and debate is one thing; what is not required is for this board to become a festering bed of 'Hughton out' calls, which is what the OP was hinting at or edging towards.
Glad you now agree with me on the correct spelling oh Hyypia though! :thumbsup:
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As to correct spelling, Hyypiä has an umlaut on the a.

I reread OP, who fairly harmlessly pointed out similarities with Norwich position. There was no mention of sacking; I certainly didn’t read that it was ‘edging out’ or ‘hinting at’ a sacking for CH. You launched into an attack featuring ‘Brighton and Moan Albion’ which seemed OTT IMO.

No, I didn’t see second post. I am in South America with occasional internet access. Reacted to posts on my post (which appears to have struck a chord with other posters) via the email received from Tapatalk.

Think we are actually on same page. I agree that frustrated moaning is unhelpful, but I consider many on NSC fail to realise that we are in a worse position than 16th would suggest because of the way the fixture list works. We have to take points from the remaining fixtures against top 6, and CH’s tactics leave me with little optimism that we will achieve that.


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HalfaSeatOn

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Mar 17, 2014
1,898
North West Sussex
Lifelong Supporter said:
I have not seen them mention one manager who is available and would do a better job. It is easy to criticise.
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I don't want a new manager, just want CH to be less cautious when it's appropriate. Not going 442 at WBA was hugely disappointing. I also don't have any expectations against the top 6 of any points so why not try something different (formation, position changes etc)
 


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Lindfield by the Pond

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Jan 10, 2009
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Lindfield (near the pond)
Perkino said:
CH doesn't have much choice, we either play compact and look to take advantage of the few chances we are likely to get or press forward and leave ourselves exposed whilst hoping the opposition don't score.

We don't have the squad to play 4-4-2 in this league we simply aren't good enough at the moment, in 2 or 3 years it will be different.

It's often a sign that either someone is a JCL or they don't understand football to think that 11 vs 11 means the most attacking side will win. We would get destroyed most games if we tried to out score our opposition, our only real option is to out defend them and hope we can capitalise on our chances
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I understand the sentiment, but too often we defend a 1-0 defeat. Once we concede, we need to change tack, and bringing on Hemed for Murray doesn't do it for me.
 


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