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[Albion] "You're black and you stink" Rodriquez comment to Bong? - FA say not proven
- Thread starter El Presidente
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Aren’t they just mirroring their managers attitude?
I'd be pretty angry and more likely to lash out irrationally if our manager was Alan Pardew.
peter les plombs
"So that they get het up, make mistakes and give away penalties. The best thing is just to ignore it."
Verbals in context, 2002 article: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/jan/07/comment.thomascastaignede
"So that they get het up, make mistakes and give away penalties. The best thing is just to ignore it."
Verbals in context, 2002 article: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/jan/07/comment.thomascastaignede
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lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
If the FAs standard of proof is higher than they had for Lukakus kick up the arse on Bong, to charge Rodriguez, I reckon they've got him bang to rights
seagulls4ever
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- Oct 2, 2003
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That quote is in the Birmingham Mail article, which provides a slightly different translation of the original SRF interview:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sp...ews/jay-rodriguez-charge-gaetan-bong-14152258
A longer quote provides a slightly different context.
Richbaggie
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- Feb 9, 2018
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Fair enough if you think that. I think it's a very strange sledge. It would normally have an adjective or noun alongside it.
Richbaggie
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- Feb 9, 2018
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I have seen plenty on my own Twitter timeline and on the message board I moderate on that think Bong misheard.
I agree about the abuse. However, Twitter is a sesspit at times and it's not representative of the vast majority of Albion fans.
I agree about the abuse. However, Twitter is a sesspit at times and it's not representative of the vast majority of Albion fans.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Hi all
Baggies fan here, with a peace pipe in hand
Firstly, no matter which club you support, what a rubbish situation we find ourselves in. There isn't an outcome that I can see that will have a happy ending.
Secondly, if Rodriguez has said the alleged words he has been charged with, then he should get whatever the FA can throw at him. No question.
But, and there is a big but here. Until this is proven beyond doubt, he is still innocent and deserves a fair hearing just as anyone should receive.
When I first heard what Bong alleged Rodriguez has said, my first thought was surely he has misheard what was said. Does this sound like anything anyone would say, let alone a racist.
"You're black, and your breath stinks"
Seriously, cast team loyalties aside, does that sound realistic that anyone would form that sort of sentence?
It's pure guesswork but my guess has always been that Bong has at best, misheard words or at worst putvsome extra spin on Rodriguez petulant and childish hand movement and you stink words.
My guess is we will never know for sure and unless there is corroborating evidence for Bong or Rodriguez, this will end in ultimate stalemate and everyone will end up dissatisfied with the whole sorry affair.
Guesswork...but you haven't really cast aside your team loyalty have you
The fact is that unless the FA have some evidence that is unavailable to the rest of us, no one has any idea. People can think what they like, but they won't actually know. In other words: they are guessing.
If Bong did mis-hear:
a) The only person who knows that will be Rodriguez, as Bong seems pretty sure what he believed he heard.
b) It does NOT mean that Bong is lying, being fraudulent nor "playing the race card". He is well within his rights to report racist abuse that he believed happened, and then allow the proper investigative process to be followed.
Richbaggie
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I haven't hung Rodriguez without a trial but that's nothing to do with team loyalty.
I am going to wait and see what comes out of the hearing and if it's proven he said these words then he will get his comeuppance and deservedly so.
If it was a Brighton player in these circumstances, would you automatically call him out as guilty?
Richbaggie
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Agree with all that.
I have felt all along that Bong has misheard. Don't think he's lied. I think the worst that's actually happened is Rodriguez has acted like a child with his actions.
I have felt all along that Bong has misheard. Don't think he's lied. I think the worst that's actually happened is Rodriguez has acted like a child with his actions.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Kosh
'The' Yaztromo
Looking at the original footage; JR looks to me like a man who knows full well he's said something utterly abhorrent and/or heat of the moment stupid... His face speaks a thousand words, terrified at first and then rapidly incredulous as in: I never, what!?! he's misheard me... I'm shocked by this... etc. Those first few seconds however, he looks plain scared. I wonder why that would be? The gesture alone?!? hmmmm I'm not sure... could be, might not be...
As it stands only two men potentially know the truth (or perhaps have convinced themselves of a version of it?!?), we may never find out... If the FA can prove guilt however, well, in my humble opinion his career should be over.
Time will tell, it always does.
Kosh
As it stands only two men potentially know the truth (or perhaps have convinced themselves of a version of it?!?), we may never find out... If the FA can prove guilt however, well, in my humble opinion his career should be over.
Time will tell, it always does.
Kosh
This is where i'm at. I also don't believe for one moment Bong misheard either. He understands English very well
Betfair Bozo
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Anyone seen the clip where you can actually tell what Rodriguez says, as many WBA fans have claimed? Only one I can find the first conversation is miles away from the camera and Rodriguez has his hand in front of his mouth for the second. As one of our esteemed colleagues has pointed out already, for a lovely fellow he seems to be of a bit of a bellend whatever was said.
I understand English very well, but I still mis-hear things, and I'm not on a football pitch playing in a Premier League game in front of a fervent home crowd.
(Note: I'm not suggesting I believe Bong did mis-hear, just that it is perfectly possible)
Kosh
'The' Yaztromo
That was my first instinct when I saw the footage. I could be very wrong, but I've done some stupid things in my life and sometimes you can read the: what have I done look? even if it only lasts a couple of seconds...
The real facts however, I'll leave to the FA to determine.
Doesn't seem strange to me. Where does 'You're black and you stink' need an another adjective or noun?Standing two foot away.