[NSC] Ladies First - Sexist Slur??

ozzygull · Jan 8, 2018

As a women, if a man says "ladies first" when getting off the train or into a lift etc. Then I would say "thank you" as I assume he is being polite, and get on with the rest of my life.

I think you will find that this kind off rubbish annoys as many women as it does men.

Meade's Ball · Jan 8, 2018

I only say ladies first to a homophobic chap in my office, as I know it mildly grates. I will open the door for any female, in general, though, and use an after you. I also do a flambouyant arm movement when I do so, but I think that looks pretty stupid, repeatedly, upon reflection.

surlyseagull · Jan 8, 2018

Half Time Pies said:
My Sister-in-Law is a feminist and we had a good Christmas day argument over all of this! I think many feminists seek equality when it suits them, when they want to have kids and stay at home to look after them while husband is off working all hours under the Sun then equality isn't a problem, when they and their husband splits up they are happy to take advantage of the fact that the courts prioritise the women's rights over a mans rights, they actively seek a mans-man as a partner but then complain that he isn't sensitive enough. They are moaning about the lack of Women in senior positions but not the fact that its predominantly men that are emptying bins, digging ditches and doing a lot of the low paid high risk jobs out there. Nobody is complaining that Men are the ones that are conscripted if there is a war, the last out in many emergency/ disaster situations and who's lives are generally valued far less. Men are meant to have it easier yet nobody is talking about the fact that 75% of all suicides are Men and its the single biggest killer of males under 45.

Absolutely this

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 8, 2018

Notters said:
I know you're joking but it's primarily so they can get the pushchair into the hold. No-one in their right mind wants to be first onto the tin can and I'm genuinely shocked that people pay for priority boarding.

I disagree. The ability to bypass all the long queues at the gate and go straight to a seat, get on the plane first (and sit down) and have no issues with overhead luggage or standing around and also choosing your seat greatly improve the service I find. And with EasyJet speedy boarding also guarantees two items of luggage so they won’t pinch it from you and put in the hold.

dazzer6666 · Jan 8, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
I disagree. The ability to bypass all the long queues at the gate and go straight to a seat, get on the plane first (and sit down) and have no issues with overhead luggage or standing around and also choosing your seat greatly improve the service I find. And with EasyJet speedy boarding also guarantees two items of luggage so they won’t pinch it from you and put in the hold.

With you on this. Would much rather be sat in my seat reading the paper with my stuff in the overhead locker than stood behind multiple people not realising the rows are in number order, trying to find a space to put their too-big 'hand baggage', eventually finding a space, stuffing it in before realising they need something out of it before take-off, all the time oblivious to the 150 people stood waiting behind them to get past.................

alfredmizen · Jan 8, 2018

Brighton Lines said:
You were dumped this week weren't you ?

By the way, my office is 75% female. It's not a concern. You see, I don't think of them as the enemy.

but i bet they think of you as a bit.of a sap who empathises with them when what they really want is a bloke who will take the piss a bit and treat them like a woman.

alfredmizen · Jan 8, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
I disagree. The ability to bypass all the long queues at the gate and go straight to a seat, get on the plane first (and sit down) and have no issues with overhead luggage or standing around and also choosing your seat greatly improve the service I find. And with EasyJet speedy boarding also guarantees two items of luggage so they won’t pinch it from you and put in the hold.

thats easily remedied , twice ive been in the queue for boarding and had them tag my luggage to go in the hold , and both times ive simply waited till the easy jet employee has moved down the queue , and then removed the tag put it in the in bin and kept.my luggage with me

BrianWade4 · Jan 8, 2018

Giraffe said:
No it’s not. It’s a basic courtesy. And we get to have to have a peak at their arse.

Excellent point well made.

BrianWade4 · Jan 8, 2018

crodonilson said:
Anyone see the excellent ‘This Morning’ yesterday morning? A hot debate over whether saying ‘ladies first’ is sexist? Seems the majority thought it was, what are NSCs thoughts?

If a man tried going through the door ahead of a woman or waited for it to be opened by her, for him, would that be fine?

Eeyore · Jan 8, 2018

Renegade said:
No I wasn't.I just detest feminism.

Watch out for that 75%,one day they could put you in jail(So there's 3 of you and 2 women?)

4 men, 12 women.

And, no, I don't worry about false accusation. (Which is what you are implying a large percentage of women lean to).

Fungus · Jan 8, 2018

Renegade said:
I think alot of opening the door for someone is about the practicality of how you and the other person are positioned rather than to
be chivalrous.For example if I beat someone to open a door who is on the other side then it's easier to let that person through first
whether it's a man or women and I have been the one to be let through many times.From memory I don't often open the door for a woman
just to be chivalrous.I will usually just walk through first and hold the door open long enough for he to grab it.

Well, that was simple enough.

Renegade said:
It's an age thing I guess so from now one I will do this.

Women 40+ / Open the door.
Women 28-39 / Consider it based on your hunch
Women 27 and under / Let them go f... themselves.

Now you're just making it complicated again. :wozza:

Thunder Bolt · Jan 8, 2018

I think a lot of people may have missed the point. It isn't who opens the door, or who goes first. It's what is said. Some women do not like the term 'ladies'.

pearl · Jan 8, 2018

crodonilson said:
Anyone see the excellent ‘This Morning’ yesterday morning? A hot debate over whether saying ‘ladies first’ is sexist? Seems the majority thought it was, what are NSCs thoughts?

I don't think it's sexist, but I don't expect it either. If a man offers me their seat on the bus/train I usually say 'I'm OK thanks' (except bendy buses because it better for everyone if I'm seated). I don't see why they should give me their seat.

If anyone is struggling with pushchairs, bags or whatever I open the door for them out of consideration

pearl · Jan 8, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
I think a lot of people may have missed the point. It isn't who opens the door, or who goes first. It's what is said. Some women do not like the term 'ladies'.

I've been called a lot worse :lolol:

sussex_guy2k2 · Jan 8, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
I think a lot of people may have missed the point. It isn't who opens the door, or who goes first. It's what is said. Some women do not like the term 'ladies'.

It's not being called "ladies" that they have an issue with. It's the connotations that come with the notion that they need a man to hold the door open for them because they're a lady. Apparently it's demeaning or something.

Thunder Bolt · Jan 8, 2018

pearl said:
I've been called a lot worse

And me.

sussex_guy2k2 said:
It's not being called "ladies" that they have an issue with. It's the connotations that come with the notion that they need a man to hold the door open for them because they're a lady. Apparently it's demeaning or something.

https://medium.com/clued-in/lets-talk-about-the-word-lady-68f11dca54bd

Renegade · Jan 8, 2018

My guess is that there are far more women than not who like chivalry,who like a man to take care of them,who are not into alot of feminism.Basically they like the parts of feminism that benefits them and not the parts that do not.

pearl · Jan 8, 2018

Renegade said:
My guess is that there are far more women than not who like chivalry,who like a man to take care of them,who are not into alot of feminism.Basically they like the parts of feminism that benefits them and not the parts that do not.

I think men need far more taking care of imho :laugh:

Renegade · Jan 8, 2018

pearl said:
I think men need far more taking care of imho

Who is your offer aimed at?me?what time can you come over? x

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