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    Really enjoyed last nights game, it is always a joy to see the art of defending.

    Remember it was not too long ago that pundits were moaning about the English teams inability to defend in the Champions League.

    It's almost getting to the point where some fans are effectively calling for a T20 version of football, which is focused on attacking football and tackles, and other defending skills are outlawed.

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      [QUOTE=Kalimantan Gull;8268793]****************************** ***

      It might hurt their brand, but I don't care about their brand.

      Your opening post is doing what every other pundit is doing at the moment, putting all the blame on teams like us. WRONG. We're not here just to make up the numbers, to be the fodder served up for the big teams to hammer, for fans in China to drool over these super teams smashing six past us, for their plans for ever more global domination and ever more money falling into their laps. No, we are a club in our own right, with a history of our own, with ambitions of our own and fans of our own, and we'll do what it takes to stifle the other teams, stop them playing, win points and consolidate our position. We';ll do this for us, and if it upsets the journos and pundits and foreign viewers who only care about the big clubs, well I couldn't care less.

      If it hurts their brand, then all the better for it. Their brand has created a situation where all the top talent is concentrated in a select few teams. There have always been better teams, there have always been richer clubs, but we haven't had a situation like this where all the top talent is concentrated in a handful of clubs.


      Well said.
      The PL was established to protect and strengthen the interests of a very few select clubs. Having watched two decades of Liverpool dominance and aware of the likelihood of United finally waking up under Ferguson, Messrs Dein and Scholar, representing the two North London giants decided something had to be done to make sure their two clubs didn't get lost along the way. It was designed in inception, to be dominated and controlled by a big 5 or 6 and for these select few to qualify for Europe every season.
      It is no longer an English league. We like to call it so but it isn't. It is predominantly foreign owned, foreign managed/coached and full of foreign players. It is marketed globally and the higher profile clubs are building ever larger fan bases. The big six don't run football stadiums anymore. They run tourist attractions. They are a world apart from clubs like BHA, Huddersfield and Bournemouth and yet we are expected to compete, toe to toe, with these giants and we are expected to get hammered out of sight. The structure is elitist and it breeds arrogance and elitism amongst a broad spectrum who follow the game.
      The PL doesn't give a jot about the football pyramid, the lifeblood of the game. It pays lipservice to it. It wouldn't bat an eyelid if 50 lesser clubs closed their doors tomorrow. Its not a recruitment ground for the PL. Clubs now buy from all over the world.
      Like yourself, I stick two fingers up to the lot of them and say good luck to the other 14 teams and keep putting ten men behind the ball. Play as ugly as you can, frustrate them for 90 minutes and lets all have a belly laugh at the pundits and press and managers bemoaning our efforts. The PL have brought this on themselves and now its payback time. I hope it gets worse and worse. More and more dreary stalemates, more and more wailing and gnashing of teeth. More and more 80% possession games and then the PL may finally realise that the glorious spectacle they hoped to create has turned into a self-induced borefest, through their own greed, their own arrogance and their own elitist plans.
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      Inspired by last night's West Ham game and a chat on Twitter with my Man City mate, do people think that the PL brand is now being harmed by the number of teams in the bottom half setting out purely to stifle the top 6?

      Last night's game was AWFUL and we did similar up at Wembley, just to lesser effect. Has so much money been poured in to this league that teams will now do anything to stay in it, including ruining the very product the money pays for?
      Seems to me that it's suddenly become acceptable for most of the PL to duck out of contesting 12 PL games against The Big Six. Add to that the same requirement by the same teams to duck out of the FA Cup as soon as is decent and those teams are in danger of killing the interest of increasing numbers of their fanbase in pursuit of the SKY millions. Which sort of kills the idea of the club as a club. Lest they forget, the fanbase IS the club.
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      Or all the other years in all the divisions?

      It is now the media has decided it's a thing.
      Out of all of your nearly 40,000 posts, this is the only decent one.

      This is what caused the delay. “Can you sign this Paul?” - 80 minutes later Barber finished his reply. (Herr Tubbs)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hark, Preston Park View Post
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      Seems to me that it's suddenly become acceptable for most of the PL to duck out of contesting 12 PL games against The Big Six. Add to that the same requirement by the same teams to duck out of the FA Cup as soon as is decent and those teams are in danger of killing the interest of increasing numbers of their fanbase in pursuit of the SKY millions. Which sort of kills the idea of the club as a club. Lest they forget, the fanbase IS the club.
      Unfortunately, that just isn’t the case anymore. We’re customers, pure and simple at this level. If you see yourself as anything else, then you’re living in a dream world.
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      Totally agree with the OP.

      Football became a product many years ago. Sky need to sell subscriptions. If people wanted to watch defence vs attack they could just film the training sessions.

      Football used to be about trying to win. Now it's about trying not to lose. Everyone wants to stay on the gravy train.
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      ****************************** ***

      It might hurt their brand, but I don't care about their brand.

      Your opening post is doing what every other pundit is doing at the moment, putting all the blame on teams like us. WRONG. We're not here just to make up the numbers, to be the fodder served up for the big teams to hammer, for fans in China to drool over these super teams smashing six past us, for their plans for ever more global domination and ever more money falling into their laps. No, we are a club in our own right, with a history of our own, with ambitions of our own and fans of our own, and we'll do what it takes to stifle the other teams, stop them playing, win points and consolidate our position. We';ll do this for us, and if it upsets the journos and pundits and foreign viewers who only care about the big clubs, well I couldn't care less.

      If it hurts their brand, then all the better for it. Their brand has created a situation where all the top talent is concentrated in a select few teams. There have always been better teams, there have always been richer clubs, but we haven't had a situation like this where all the top talent is concentrated in a handful of clubs.


      Well said.
      The PL was established to protect and strengthen the interests of a very few select clubs. Having watched two decades of Liverpool dominance and aware of the likelihood of United finally waking up under Ferguson, Messrs Dein and Scholar, representing the two North London giants decided something had to be done to make sure their two clubs didn't get lost along the way. It was designed in inception, to be dominated and controlled by a big 5 or 6 and for these select few to qualify for Europe every season.
      It is no longer an English league. We like to call it so but it isn't. It is predominantly foreign owned, foreign managed/coached and full of foreign players. It is marketed globally and the higher profile clubs are building ever larger fan bases. The big six don't run football stadiums anymore. They run tourist attractions. They are a world apart from clubs like BHA, Huddersfield and Bournemouth and yet we are expected to compete, toe to toe, with these giants and we are expected to get hammered out of sight. The structure is elitist and it breeds arrogance and elitism amongst a broad spectrum who follow the game.
      The PL doesn't give a jot about the football pyramid, the lifeblood of the game. It pays lipservice to it. It wouldn't bat an eyelid if 50 lesser clubs closed their doors tomorrow. Its not a recruitment ground for the PL. Clubs now buy from all over the world.
      Like yourself, I stick two fingers up to the lot of them and say good luck to the other 14 teams and keep putting ten men behind the ball. Play as ugly as you can, frustrate them for 90 minutes and lets all have a belly laugh at the pundits and press and managers bemoaning our efforts. The PL have brought this on themselves and now its payback time. I hope it gets worse and worse. More and more dreary stalemates, more and more wailing and gnashing of teeth. More and more 80% possession games and then the PL may finally realise that the glorious spectacle they hoped to create has turned into a self-induced borefest, through their own greed, their own arrogance and their own elitist plans.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hark, Preston Park View Post
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      Seems to me that it's suddenly become acceptable for most of the PL to duck out of contesting 12 PL games against The Big Six. Add to that the same requirement by the same teams to duck out of the FA Cup as soon as is decent and those teams are in danger of killing the interest of increasing numbers of their fanbase in pursuit of the SKY millions. Which sort of kills the idea of the club as a club. Lest they forget, the fanbase IS the club.
      We are practising the art of losing 2-0 to the Big Six. Another six games and we will have mastered it.

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