The Merry Prankster
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During a hypoglycaemic incident no they don't.
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[News] "Dianne Abbott at the darts" / Antoine Griezzman fancy dress
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During a hypoglycaemic incident no they don't.
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seagulls4ever
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- Oct 2, 2003
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You seem pretty confused to me. What the hell are you on about? You're allowed to think Abbott is up to the job and needs calling out, nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is using blackface to do that, given the history of blackface being used to mock black people.
I bet you don't even know her job (without looking it up).
Funny how a thread about 'blacking up' turned into a debate about Abbott's abilities.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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The thread only exists because someone blacked up in a piss take of Diane Abbot, her abilities are entirely relevant.
On that basis alone, and as a senior politician she deserves everything she gets. In a week where Bercow mollycoddles MPs for not being enemies of the people he would do well to remember what many MPs have done in the past, whether rippin the piss out of taxpayers on expenses, barefaced lying, war-mongering and astonishing deceit.
Abbot is up there on a number of aspects, but for me her decision to send her son to a fee paying school while politically advocating comprehensive education is her biggest shame. Something she herself described as “indefensible”. Quite.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/nov/05/labour.uk
She is on that basis guilty of what other Labour MPs and its senior supporters say and then do, Chakribati and Thornberry (or should that be Lady Nugee) recently guilty of the same.
Wankers, the lot of them.........they have bought much of this on themselves.
The Merry Prankster
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There is so much wrong with this it’s hard to know where to start. Nobody deserves the abuse Abbot gets, racist or otherwise. To suggest that because she is hypocritical about schooling or any other political nonsense she may come up with she has earned this vile abuse is victim blaming of the highest order.
I notice you only single out women as being deserving of this kind of thing. I imagine you dashing off letters to them in purple crayon.
The Merry Prankster
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From an article by a POC
If you’ve ever been the only person of colour at a social gathering, you’ll know what it’s like when a casual racist joke arises. “Everyone” laughs because of power dynamics, not the joke’s genius. People of colour have been told not to be hypersensitive throughout our lives, that it’s just humour, don’t be a wet sock, it’s just words, and so on. When white people wield the conch of humour, people of colour are supposed to just endure the racism that comes out and laugh at the humour encasing it. This is the model neo-Nazis view as fertile ground for spreading hate.
If you’ve ever been the only person of colour at a social gathering, you’ll know what it’s like when a casual racist joke arises. “Everyone” laughs because of power dynamics, not the joke’s genius. People of colour have been told not to be hypersensitive throughout our lives, that it’s just humour, don’t be a wet sock, it’s just words, and so on. When white people wield the conch of humour, people of colour are supposed to just endure the racism that comes out and laugh at the humour encasing it. This is the model neo-Nazis view as fertile ground for spreading hate.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Really? Racist and misogynistic abuse is ok?!
Would MPs you don't respect get homophobic abuse too? Anti-semitic abuse?
Where do you personally draw the line then?
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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Was this a racist act? Maybe, maybe not.
Is this bloke racist? Maybe, maybe not.
The problem is the context and connotation in which this occurs. You don’t have to go back very far to a time when this almost definitely would have been at least partially racist, in the sense that you are attempting to mock black people. Then there is the fact that today black people generally, and Dianne Abbot specifically, are on the receiving end of blunt racism; being called a ‘monkey faced black slut’ (as above) is nothing other than 100% racist.
So even if this wasn’t racist it is sailing way too close to being so and at the very least helps perpetuate genuinely racist behaviour continue. Maybe in another generation or two, during which blacking up and other similar acts are on the most part publicly derided and frowned upon there will come a time when it will be generally acceptable. Until then people who find this kind of thing funny will just have to wait and suck it up.
Is this bloke racist? Maybe, maybe not.
The problem is the context and connotation in which this occurs. You don’t have to go back very far to a time when this almost definitely would have been at least partially racist, in the sense that you are attempting to mock black people. Then there is the fact that today black people generally, and Dianne Abbot specifically, are on the receiving end of blunt racism; being called a ‘monkey faced black slut’ (as above) is nothing other than 100% racist.
So even if this wasn’t racist it is sailing way too close to being so and at the very least helps perpetuate genuinely racist behaviour continue. Maybe in another generation or two, during which blacking up and other similar acts are on the most part publicly derided and frowned upon there will come a time when it will be generally acceptable. Until then people who find this kind of thing funny will just have to wait and suck it up.
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According to Google Analytics, there have been 7,500 page views of this thread - that won't even buy the wrapping paper.
Sorry mate, will keep plugging away.
1066familyman
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- Jan 15, 2008
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To be fair, I'm not sure anyone finds the blacking up particularly funny. It's clearly the 190 gag that a lot of people find amusing.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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I see, you should try and elaborate on your proposition that hypocritical politicians don’t deserve vile abuse? Frankly I think they DO, how will they learn not to be dishonest. I think it was Franklin that said when politicians fear the electorate, there is democracy, when electorates fear politicians there is tyranny.
Many politicians today are responsible for poisoning the well of public trust in politicians through their conduct. It is because of their conduct (like expenses) this lack of trust that has delivered Trump in the White House and also Brexit.
Abbott is part of the problem and whether she was black or white or male or female she deserves the contempt of the public. Sending her child to a private fee paying school rather than a local comp whilst advocating universal comprehensive education whilst representing a London borough with some of the highest levels of immigration in the UK, a policy she supports is nothing short of outrageous.
In short this ersatz “socialist” practices a policy of letting the kids of the poor go swing, whilst her own go to a school for Tories. With her track record she’s lucky she only gets shit on Twitter.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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You must be living the life of luxury from the Brexit thread!
There's a world of difference between robust feedback and criticism (essential for a healthy democracy), and "vile abuse" (e.g. racism, sexism, death threats, rape threats, threats of violence etc.).
The kind of toxic environment that is all too often a feature of some contemporary political discourse and which was a contributory factor in the murder of Jo Cox.
So, yeah, agree that all MPs should be held accountable for their words and actions but NOT subjected to "vile abuse".
The Merry Prankster
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Listen, this is soon to be a post brexit, sovereign country. The voice of the little englander rang loud. So it is okay to be racist now. Especially to those namby pamby Labour lot who have the barefaced, unpatriotic idea of building a manifesto around the concept of fairness, wealth parity and equality.
Neville's Breakfast
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So the bloke at the darts blacked up because of BREXIT.
Surreal.
Surreal.
The Spanish
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Because a lot of them will be full of middle class white people? He is less likely to bump into black people in those than at darts at ally pally!