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[News] UK rail passengers face biggest rise for five years
- Thread starter TomandJerry
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Back in the days when you could get a decent toasted bacon sarnie from the buffet carriage.
Wouldn’t happen in Germany.
TomandJerry
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Mental Lental
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Japan's privatised rail service is second to none. The problem isn't privatised railways but rather the methods Thatcher's Tories used to implement it.
An absolute omnishambles.
An absolute omnishambles.
crookie
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Desperate last privatisation of Majors govt iirc. Everything was parcelled up and flogged off. The Rolling stock companies were all sold to their management for a song and then resold on making millionaires of those lucky enough to be in a management position with these 'companies' and correspondingly defrauding all us mug taxpayers who endured more state assets being flogged off on the cheap
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Mental Lental
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Was it Major? You might be right, I can't be bothered to check it. The thing about Japan's privatised companies is that they own every part of their franchise. The land, the track, the rolling stock, the passenger fares. They make more money from the land, by building **** tons of department stores, hotels and shopping malls at every major station they can then easily subsidise losses from the non-profitable suburban stations and services without ****ing over the passengers.
clapham_gull
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Worth pointing out that New Labour completely mucked up the tube too. Has been forgotten in history since they a had much bigger #### up with Iraq.
The whole industry generally agrees that theprivatisation v public ownership argument is a red herring.
It's the splitting of track and rail. That's John Major's legacy to the UK. Even Thatcher stopped with the Railways.
I also think these surcharges for the rail upgrades should come directly out of central taxation so the daily rail users don't take the hit.
There are all sorts of things I pay for through my taxes that I don't use directly.
The current situation is the usual way employed by the Tories to make "taxes" appear lower than they are by allowing the prices to rise.
When people complain the buck is passed onto the rail operators.
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The whole industry generally agrees that theprivatisation v public ownership argument is a red herring.
It's the splitting of track and rail. That's John Major's legacy to the UK. Even Thatcher stopped with the Railways.
I also think these surcharges for the rail upgrades should come directly out of central taxation so the daily rail users don't take the hit.
There are all sorts of things I pay for through my taxes that I don't use directly.
The current situation is the usual way employed by the Tories to make "taxes" appear lower than they are by allowing the prices to rise.
When people complain the buck is passed onto the rail operators.
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sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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Really? Guess who would be paying for the rail ways if they’d not been privatised...
Justice
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Commuters on the radio threating to quit their job in London because the fare has gone up £2 a week 
Lower West Stander
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The bacon sarnies were great but I don’t miss the buffet cars on the way home full of desperate men behaving badly business types, talking shit to each other before getting home to the missus
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BBassic
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This is interesting for me. I had planned to look for work in London in the new year because there isn't much in Brighton / Sussex. But that rail increase has pretty much killed any possibility. A payrise for a new role isn't a payrise if half of it goes to the rail companies.
Means I'm going to have look further afield. Over the Downs. The North.
Means I'm going to have look further afield. Over the Downs. The North.
Commuters on the radio threating to quit their job in London because the fare has gone up £2 a week
... and they won't.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
But in Germany, freight trains crash into passenger trains
Yes, over 40 people injured.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...sion-injured-what-happened-rail-a8093901.html
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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nonsense. the increased yearly fare to London all terminals with zone 1-6 travel card will be about £160 for annual, or £215 for monthly.
Because I work there (smoke). And I could not buy a house anywhere near London in 89. Then I got ****ed over by the Lawson boooom and bust, massive interest rates, negative equity... "you may not like the tories for their social policies, but they certainly know how to nurture the economy". Do they ****. FFS. Shower of charlatan second hand car dealing euro-obsessed knobwomble*****. By and large.
And here I am, still.
But all is paid off and my pension reaches full froth next September, so if the HoD, nutjob south east rail, and all, piss me off too much, then I'm off.
All of this....................including possibly flouncing off once I'm in a position to do so (about 3.5 years I reckon, thanks to the changes in pension rules a while back that makes 55 the new 67
)Working from home 2-3 days a week keeps me sane. There is no way in the world I would go back to a 5 day a week commute. I went in 2 days last week - issues both days (one Southern, one Jubilee line). Only problem with irregular commuting is the costs are eye-watering - basically £50 a day to get to work.
I'm so tired of moaning about the trains, they are just f**king terrible. There isn't one positive thing to say about it or anybody who works in the industry. Whether it's the numerous cancellations, the unacceptable delays on a daily basis, the overpaid twats in the board room, the incompetent middle management who have no clue about the industry and convince themselves they're doing the right thing just because they have pointless "meet the manager" walkabouts when everyone is trying to get to work, the driver mongs who strike and whinge about guardless carriages until they're bribed sufficiently such that they now get paid £80k (including overtime) for pushing a button, or the rude and humourless pricks on the platforms who never ever know anything helpful and go AWOL in the event of absolute carnage (often on a Friday night) - I am just sick to death of the whole lot of them.
Another 3.5% rise? Pah. That only effects the passengers (that's "customers" to the rest of us), nobody in any of the groups above really gives a shit, and nor seemingly do successive governments of all 3 political persuasions.
Another 3.5% rise? Pah. That only effects the passengers (that's "customers" to the rest of us), nobody in any of the groups above really gives a shit, and nor seemingly do successive governments of all 3 political persuasions.
BBassic
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Sorry didn't know you were so aware of my financial situation.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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true, i assumed you'd consider going to London looking for more than £250-500 a year pay rise.
BBassic
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Well let's say I'm on £40k and I get a job in London for £45k. Right now Southern are asking for £3832 per year which eats right into that pay rise. Factor in the increase they want to throw on and the prospect of sitting on a train for hours a day, if it turns up at all, becomes even less appealing.