Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I agree. It's going to take some sorting out, as I understand Palace brought their own stewards, & the Met too.
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[Albion] 300 Palace fans locked out of the Amex
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I agree. It's going to take some sorting out, as I understand Palace brought their own stewards, & the Met too.
From the accounts of one Palace fan on twitter (who seems to be giving a balanced view of it all), they stormed a fire exit and let off a flare to distract stewards, a fair old few got in ticketless, in the process breaking one (Palace) stewards ribs. If that's the case, the only way you would arguably stop that is by having riot police guarding all the fire exits - then you ask where do you stop, do you have to also guard all home fire exits? All home entrances?
Those who charged the exit were (from albeit limited accounts), were the Holmesdale Fanatics. These were the people, all stood behind the banner behind the goal, who coincidently were letting off most of the pyros, as well as a small group at the back also dressed in black. Same person also posted about the fact that there were DOZENS of these flares/smokebombs etc on the ground after the game, and they were about the size of a lipstick, if that.
You can get smoke bombs and firecracker type things that are the size of a battery, they can very easily be concealed and hidden. Remember the outrage of searching womens bras at Stevenage earlier in the season? We only have 1 or the other
worthingseagull
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- Sep 28, 2011
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think the police will struggle to identify these offenders as their plan was to ;
a/ storm turnstiles most with no tickets
b/ cover faces
c/ move to different seats midway through match
a/ storm turnstiles most with no tickets
b/ cover faces
c/ move to different seats midway through match
Bwian
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Learning requires functioning brains-they're on a hiding to nothing from birth.
severnside gull
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There will inevitably be repercussions but that is sensationalist and unfair. Neither demonstrate a lack of due care.
How do you think someone on a fire door can withstand a gang intent on opening it to let their fellow hooligans in?
And how do you ensure that smoke bombs etc which palace fans stated afterwards were the size of lipsticks can be guaranteed to be found before entry? We are not talking rucksacks or bomb vests here.
There is a test of reasonableness.
Having found that troublemakers had gained access the correct decision was made to deny any further access even to ticket holding fans. I can remember before when fans were allowed in despite safety limits being reached and I will stand up today and say well done.
Police intelligence should have given some indication on what was planned by the palace hooligans. Arguably they could have been better prepared but to sensationalise that and push all the blame on the police is just plain wrong. Their role is to (try to) uphold the law. It wasn't them breaking it.
(Rant over)
Return of the Rev
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Random ticket checks for people in silly clothes?
Brighton say a minority of Crystal Palace supporters 'came intent on causing disorder' after derby draw
Brighton have accused a number of Crystal Palace fans of causing disorder which left two stewards in hospital after Tuesday night's derby between the two clubs at the Amex Stadium.
Brighton said that a number of Palace fans had travelled to the ground without tickets and sought to gain entry shortly after kick-off, prompting the club to close the turnstiles at 7.51pm - six minutes into the match which finished 0-0.
That decision left some fans with legitimate tickets locked outside the ground, before they were escorted back to the railway station and sent back to London.
Sussex Police confirmed six arrests were made on the night and described the policing operation as "challenging" but proceeded "without a major incident".
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-intent-on-causing-disorder-after-derby-draw
Brighton have accused a number of Crystal Palace fans of causing disorder which left two stewards in hospital after Tuesday night's derby between the two clubs at the Amex Stadium.
Brighton said that a number of Palace fans had travelled to the ground without tickets and sought to gain entry shortly after kick-off, prompting the club to close the turnstiles at 7.51pm - six minutes into the match which finished 0-0.
That decision left some fans with legitimate tickets locked outside the ground, before they were escorted back to the railway station and sent back to London.
Sussex Police confirmed six arrests were made on the night and described the policing operation as "challenging" but proceeded "without a major incident".
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-intent-on-causing-disorder-after-derby-draw
severnside gull
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If Palace stay up (hopefully unlikely) there will surely be denial of access to anyone dressed in black next season
Perusing the Palace sites as I have, they seem intent to put a fair amount of blame on our turnstyles being inadequate as they make it easy for people to force entry.
We are now in the 7th season of the Amex, meaning we've probably had around 150 games there, many of which were sellouts. We've hosted a fair few clubs with "reputations" and as far as I'm aware groups of fans forcing their way into the ground has never happened before last night.
The ethos of the Amex, the stewarding and the policing has long been to treat people like grown-ups since most people will do the right thing.
I'm simply not having "the turnstyles aren't fit for purpose" because it seems to be coming from the same school of thought that suggests if a woman dresses up a bit "she's asking for it".
We are now in the 7th season of the Amex, meaning we've probably had around 150 games there, many of which were sellouts. We've hosted a fair few clubs with "reputations" and as far as I'm aware groups of fans forcing their way into the ground has never happened before last night.
The ethos of the Amex, the stewarding and the policing has long been to treat people like grown-ups since most people will do the right thing.
I'm simply not having "the turnstyles aren't fit for purpose" because it seems to be coming from the same school of thought that suggests if a woman dresses up a bit "she's asking for it".
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
If they went in through a fire exit opened by mole ultras from the inside, would there be any turnstiles anyway ?
This seemed the tone of a lot of tweets last night... basically nothing is their fault and it is all ours because they managed to get away with it. Look forward to them being kettled even more, bubble buses etc next season to give them NO opportunity to misbehave. Then it won't be out fault
All of this. 100%. I see no reason why the club should change its approach to handling away fans, which is civilised, modern and adult. If there's a fanbase of one team, and one team only, whose fanbase does not respond in kind, there is a clear and obvious solution.
I see where you're coming from and I have an element of sympathy with your view. However surely that's the debate? Is old-school diving in necessarily worse than the modern approach of standing aside? Because they were allowed to continue they felt empowered and innocent people continued to suffer. I work with a Palace fan who was there last night, and he said when they were corralled in some of their morons were still letting off smoke bombs, and a couple of the older fans were suffering from the smoke.
Wellesley
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- Jul 24, 2013
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Surely if you've paid for a ticket, got your ID, it's not too much to ask the riot police or stewards to go and remove the spotty oik that is in your seat. The genuine Palace fans (don't think I've ever used that expression before) have a right to be fuming with their own fans and the pathetic lack of policing. Are the police really worried by these pillocks?
Gilliver's Travels
Peripatetic
No. This is the 21st-century. Reverting to those mediaeval torture-chamber gates would send a hugely negative signal to all visiting fans. Last night was the first such incident after six trouble-free seasons at the Amex. To allow a bunch of black-clad cretins to force us back into the 1970s would be an admission that they had won.
Del Fenner
Because of Boxing Day
Moshe Gariani
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- Mar 10, 2005
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They won't though, will they?
In 6 years of much bigger and better clubs than Palace visiting our stadium we haven't had any trouble at all with people trying to jump the turnstiles.
Palace have created their own problem with the Always gang and it was lovely last night to see it rebound on Palace fans.