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    It amazes me how gullible people are to think that the public words being made reflect the reality of what is going on.

    The problem is that the EU want us to commit to a large payment, but aren’t prepared to loosen discussions on the trade deal. They want to bully, and I think there’s enough anger/frustration both inside and outside of Westminster for the UK to just say “f*ck it, we’ll go no deal and you can whistle”. Then see the wailing from the EU as their budget plans get screwed.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hampster Gull View Post
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      #promotespreadsheetphil
      Yeah, the guy who will bend over and take it the EU way. The guy who won’t countenance getting anything in place in case there’s not a deal. I assume you’d be happy to pay 100bln Euros as they have asked.
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      From stiff upper lip, Dunkirk spirit, never surrender to ..



      *tut*
      “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”
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      The EU were never going to make it easy for us.

      If it turns out that 5 years in the future this country is doing quite well, like the previous 500 years, then the EU may be in trouble.

      Its not like the likes of Greece and others are prospering within it anyway.
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      I’d love to see us walk away with no deal. Then watch the EU panic as they lose their second biggest contributor and have absolutely nothing coming in to replace it. It just reads to me like they want to bully us on every single issue and aren’t prepared to make any compromises, whereas we already have.
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      Quote Originally Posted by The Complete Badger View Post
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      I’d love to see us walk away with no deal. Then watch the EU panic as they lose their second biggest contributor and have absolutely nothing coming in to replace it. It just reads to me like they want to bully us on every single issue and aren’t prepared to make any compromises, whereas we already have.
      That has to be the best possible definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Why would you want to expose our businesses to tariffs and duties when there's a chance to get a deal that gives us at least some of the advantages of the single market and customs union just to annoy the EU? We caused this mess, they didn't.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Simster View Post
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      Of course it's going badly. The Brexiteers were deluded from the outset by insisting the EU DIDN'T hold all the aces.

      It will turn out that they're wrong, and we have far more to lose by no deal than they do. Who knew?

      It won't matter to Fat Boris or Jacob Poncemby-Smythe of course, they're both multi millionaires who don't need to bother with this "job security" nonsense. It's one for the proles and picaninnies I suspect, eh Fat Fella?
      It will go badly because we have poor leadership in this country but also the problem is the EU are doing very little and expect us to bend over backwards for them.

      At the end of the day the EU has way to much power and control over every country and this is by far the biggest problem facing Europe.
      You may think most of us are deluded but us so called deluded ones don't like an organisation controlling the whole of Europe like it is as this is not what makes for a wonderful Europe.

      It's dragging on because we have "remainers politicians" and remoaners doing everything they can to delay things and this naturally means that a certain bunch in Brussels are laughing at us from all angles.
      UP THE ALBION!!!!!
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      We caused this mess, they didn't.
      Debatable. This is what all the nutters on the main Brexit thread keep saying, because they support the EU like a football team.
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      That has to be the best possible definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Why would you want to expose our businesses to tariffs and duties when there's a chance to get a deal that gives us at least some of the advantages of the single market and customs union just to annoy the EU? We caused this mess, they didn't.
      They would also be exposing European businesses to tariffs when trading with us. If the EU really cared about its people, wouldn’t it be open to the idea of discussing a trade deal with us now? Instead, all we ever hear is that they insist on a divorce bill being agreed before discussing trade. Why? Because all they care about is milking the cash cow for one last £50bn to tide them over for another few years. No trade deal hurts us, I don’t deny that, but the alternative is giving in to money-obsessed bullies and paying over the odds for the privilege.
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      The EU were never going to make it easy for us.

      If it turns out that 5 years in the future this country is doing quite well, like the previous 500 years, then the EU may be in trouble.

      Its not like the likes of Greece and others are prospering within it anyway.
      In its twice-yearly World Economic Outlook, the IMF sharply reduced its UK long-term growth outlook, from an estimated annual growth rate of 1.9 per cent to 1.7 per cent. The forecasts show the UK trailing Greece over the next five years. The IMF is now predicting 11.5 per cent growth in Greece during the period, compared with 10.3 per cent in Britain.

      The fund also reduced the UK's growth forecast for this year, by 0.3 percentage points, to 1.7 per cent, while raising the equivalent forecasts for Germany, France and Italy. But in 2018, the IMF expects the UK to grow faster than Italy and France. The forecast is in line with an initial assessment first published in July. - FT

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