BensGrandad
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Easy bring him on on Sunday as a sub problem solved
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Easy bring him on on Sunday as a sub problem solved
Whitechapel
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I'm trying really hard to be civil towards you, but you do realise Butland had just made himself first choice when he fractured his ankle and missed a year of football? In fact he injured himself in an England game. If it wasn't for that he'd be first choice now, so why should keep playing a worse option in Hart?
Tooting Gull
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Pre World Cup friendlies now been confirmed at Wembley - Germany on Nov 10th, Brazil on Nov 14th
BensGrandad
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Different manager with different opinions of players and how had he established himself as No 1 all that had happened was that he had been given a couple of games to see how he did and to determine the No 1.
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Hart has been woeful since the Euros
Torino didn't want to keep him, he is conceding goals for fun at Wesy Ham now
He isn't eligible for Spain.
If by technical football you mean tika-taka possession football then you're obviously watching a different game to me.
We've completed 500+ sucsessful passes, the second most in Europe today (behind Germany). The problem is we have a clueless, boring manager who has set us up to play equally clueless boring football. We've played two holding midfielders at home to a team ranked 2 places below Saudi Arabia and spent most of the game fannying about playing nice little triangles in no mans land.
We'd actually be much better off playing kick and rush, back-to-basics football. 4-4-2 with two fast wingers, two attacking full-backs and balls being bombarded at Kane with somebody like Sturridge or Vardy playing on the shoulder of the last defender. But nope, some people think they key to success is copying 2010-2014 Spain and trying to play brilliant 'technical football' when our midfield options are Henderson, Dier, Livermore & Drinkwater.
We don't have the technical ability to play lovely flowing football where every goal is proceeded by 40 passes so we need to wake up and play to our strengths. Would LOVE us to go out for our next game with a team of
Butland
Walker - Stones - Maguire - Bertrand
Sterling - Henderson - Winks - Rashford
Sturridge - Kane
The pace on either flank would cause almost every country out there problems and we'd have two brilliantly gifted goalscorers up front. But nope, 9 of the players who started today will start on Sunday with Southgate pushing the boat out and throwing Livermore and Keane a start.
Sturridge!!!!!!! Just no.
Sterling was the worst player on the pitch......
Winks, I know nothing about, but has to be an improvement on any of the players down the middle.
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lol someone on radio says shearer should take over lol
GT49er
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'Cos he'll drain the FA dry for funds to buy in better players, innit?
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I'm guessing they are timed in the hope that England move up the rankings before the draw.
Hopefully the FA finally understand how all this actually works now.
BensGrandad
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Get it right Torino couldnt afford to keep him paying all of his wages if they did and as regards WHU their defence is pony and they could have 2 keepers and still wouldnt keep the goals against down. Hart will soon become the 2nd most capped gk for England ever after Shilton .and no one will beat him.
GT49er
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Errrmmmm...........wouldn't we have to beat them for that to happen? Could just be a tiny snag there.....................................................
Whitechapel
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Sturridge is arguably our second best striker. If he wasn't so injury prone he'd be guaranteed a start imo. I'd have Vardy over him but he's not in the current squad and Sturridge is so...
Sterling is wasted when asked to play centrally like he was tonight. He's much more effective out wide,where he has 5 in 6 for City so far this season.
The fact I'm making (and admittedly wording badly) is, Butland was being given a chance to challenge for the England #1 shirt and got injured. At the time a lot of people thought he should be number one choice. Going "He's had his chance, let's keep a worse goalkeeper in for the world cup because who really cares." doesn't make sense when arguably the only reason he isn't first choice is due to injury.
BensGrandad
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I thought that England generally were awful but see no reason to pick on Hart as he wasnt the worst player on the field.
Tooting Gull
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Hart has made a string of crucial errors in big games for England. Torino's own president slaughtered him publicly, he was so poor for them. And he hasn't been great for West Ham, ask their fans.
To be fair he was all right tonight, but Butland deserves a chance and I bet he starts against Lithuania. He would be No1 already but for injury, very unlucky to miss Euros with fractured ankle playing for England.
I don't rate Hart either. I'd actually have Tom Heaton ahead of Hart, Forster and Butland.
That said, it isn't going to make one bit of difference if we have Gary Cahill and John Stones at centre half. Neither are anywhere near good enough to get England back to perpetual quarter-finalist standard (which we all used to laugh about but would take all day long these days)
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That said, it isn't going to make one bit of difference if we have Gary Cahill and John Stones at centre half. Neither are anywhere near good enough to get England back to perpetual quarter-finalist standard (which we all used to laugh about but would take all day long these days)
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Sturridge is arguably our second best striker. If he wasn't so injury prone he'd be guaranteed a start imo. I'd have Vardy over him but he's not in the current squad and Sturridge is so...
Sterling is wasted when asked to play centrally like he was tonight. He's much more effective out wide,where he has 5 in 6 for City so far this season.
The fact I'm making (and admittedly wording badly) is, Butland was being given a chance to challenge for the England #1 shirt and got injured. At the time a lot of people thought he should be number one choice. Going "He's had his chance, let's keep a worse goalkeeper in for the world cup because who really cares." doesn't make sense when arguably the only reason he isn't first choice is due to injury.
Sturridge is dreadful, he most certainly isn’t our second best striker (imo [emoji2]).
Every time he’s played he’s been poor for England, arguably the same can be said of Sterling.
Some players cannot make the step up and these two are prime examples.
I’d play Rashford next to Kane, in a 4-4-2. Henderson is woeful as well.
Hart is lucky to be in the squad never mind team.
The sad indictment is we have no world class and players other than Kane. I like Walker but he was poor in the main tonight. Alli is okay, but can he sustain it?
After that I’m struggling.
I hear what you’re saying re Butland, but since his injury he’s looked ordinary, Forster is poor and I wonder if Pickford should fight it out with Butland ultimately.
Cahill is a cart-horse, Stones makes me feel nervous........
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Hart's statistics do not make good reading as he has made the second highest number of errors leading to goals in Serie A and has conceded almost 50 goals in just 30 appearances this season.
The chairman also said he thought he would be better than he was.