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If meat eaters acted like vegans....



Bridcutt

Bridcutt

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Aug 10, 2011
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Thunder Bolt said:
I am 70 next year, and I have lost several friends, who were vegetarian, to cancer.

Look at Linda McCartney who was a trailblazer for vegetarianism, and only made it to 56.
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I'm not saying you can't die from cancer as a vegeterian/vegan ? I just gave you a fact about processed meat/red meat. A vegan (who doesn't eat unhealthy vegan foods like oreos 24/7) is at a lower risk of heart disease, many cancers and diabates. Heart disease is the number 1 killer worldwide my friend
 






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Seagull kimchi

New member
Oct 8, 2010
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Korea and India
Bridcutt said:
Just because we've done something for a long time it doesn't make it correct/good. Even more so now that studies have shown that processed meat/red meat causes cancer.
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Exactly processed meat is bad...red meat is a slow road to goat. Nobody needs goat. I agree, that's why I cut it out, but not everyone is going to agree with complete abstinence. The best we can hope for is a general raising of animal welfare standards. Once you start preaching 'fundamental' style the battle gets lost.
 


Wrong-Direction

Wrong-Direction

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Mar 10, 2013
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bn9 bha said:
He's probably a vegan and a cyclist :D
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Yeah and we all know what they are..
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Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,454
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Bridcutt said:
I'm not saying you can't die from cancer as a vegeterian/vegan ? I just gave you a fact about processed meat/red meat. A vegan (who doesn't eat unhealthy vegan foods like oreos 24/7) is at a lower risk of heart disease, many cancers and diabates. Heart disease is the number 1 killer worldwide my friend
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You've got to die of something. I'd rather have a bad heart and go out like a light, than have a stroke, and be paralysed for years or have dementia.
 








Buzzer

Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
Bridcutt said:
You said "animals will have to be killed".. what does that mean? .
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Really? Not trying to be funny but I would have thought that was obvious. I think we're naturally omnivores which involves eating meat therefore animals will have to be killed in order for that meat to be consumed. It's as simple as that, I'm not trying to make it into a wider point, I'm just stating the facts as I see them.

As for the rest of your post, I'll keep on saying that I get where you are coming from, that I am aware that a lot of animals suffer badly, that I am all in favour of more humane ways to rear and kill them, I'm not comfortable with a lot of ways that animals are slaughtered and try where possible to buy ethically sourced meat but the bottom line is that you are completely against killing animals for food (which I do understand and respect) whereas I'm happy to eat meat and I enjoy doing so.
 




Psychobilly freakout

Psychobilly freakout

HellBilly
Feb 23, 2009
22,996
Brighton factually.....
Cheeky Monkey said:
96.2% of the meat eaters on here wouldn't eat meat if they had to slaughter and skin it themselves. 73.2% of meat eaters on here wouldn't eat meat if they were shown the full process by which it goes from standing alive in a field to the handy little guilt-free packages of animals they buy in the supermarket.
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I worked in an abattoir when I left school and then a butchers specialising in all things pig straight from the abattoir to your butchers shelf, but won't buy from supermarkets. No problem with kill, skin, bone and eat.

Funnily though I could not stand fish chopping and gutting etc, so slippy it gave me the willies.
 








Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,454
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Bridcutt said:
What's natural about it? If it was natural then it wouldn't be harmful to us (processed meat meat causes cancer and red meat probably does). We have absolutely no instincts to kill animals/eat them. Put a toddler in a room with an apple and a rabbit and let me know when the toddler is eating the rabbit and playing with the apple. You don't salivate when you see animals, no one does
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Try telling that to Inuits and Laplanders. What vegetation do they have to eat? Animals provide the majority of their clothes, and food.
 




Bridcutt

Bridcutt

Well-known member
Aug 10, 2011
2,617
Buzzer said:
Really? Not trying to be funny but I would have thought that was obvious. I think we're naturally omnivores which involves eating meat therefore animals will have to be killed in order for that meat to be consumed. It's as simple as that, I'm not trying to make it into a wider point, I'm just stating the facts as I see them.

As for the rest of your post, I'll keep on saying that I get where you are coming from, that I am aware that a lot of animals suffer badly, that I am all in favour of more humane ways to rear and kill them, I'm not comfortable with a lot of ways that animals are slaughtered and try where possible to buy ethically sourced meat but the bottom line is that you are completely against killing animals for food (which I do understand and respect) whereas I'm happy to eat meat and I enjoy doing so.
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We can eat meat, doesn't mean it's right. We are only omnivores because we CAN, not because we HAVE to. As for your second point, fair enough. You support it + don't care enough about the environment, I get it - lots of people are like you !
 


Bridcutt

Bridcutt

Well-known member
Aug 10, 2011
2,617
Thunder Bolt said:
Try telling that to Inuits and Laplanders. What vegetation do they have to eat? Animals provide the majority of their clothes, and food.
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We are not laplanders of Inuits. We live in a privileged society where we can choose to NOT harm sentient beings and the planet, and ultimately, ourselves
 




Buzzer

Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
Bridcutt said:
We can eat meat, doesn't mean it's right. We are only omnivores because we CAN, not because we HAVE to. As for your second point, fair enough. You support it + don't care enough about the environment, I get it - lots of people are like you !
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Fair enough and on that note can we agree to disagree and leave it at that? It's been an interesting discussion.
 




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Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
23,033
Two Professors said:
75.2% of the people on this thread talk utter bolox.So veggies are going to kill off all the animals on the planet so they can grow enough to eat?What gives you the right to decide which animals are allowed to survive?If you think people won't kill animals when they are hungry,you live in la-la land:lolol:
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How you got that from my post I'll never understand. I don't eat meat and don't like to talk about it except in multiple posts on this thread, but come the situation you describe above I'd be the first to pick up the nearest machete and behead all the cats and dogs owned by every single meat eater in the BN postcode area and happily cook them up and devour them while their owners look on.
 




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