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Ben Stokes charged with affray







hans kraay fan club

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Mar 16, 2005
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And now he's back in the test squad too for Saturday.

Tough selection call.

Woakes can't be left out after last weekend's heroics. Sam Curran has had two excellent Tests and it would send entirely the wrong signal to stand him down, just as he's getting going. Broad bowled brilliantly on Sunday, and is always good on his home pitch at Trent Bridge, and Sir Jimmy is an absolute genius.

Yet Stokes' will to win, was absolutely instrumental in the previous victory.

Leave Adil Rashid out? (along with Moeen and Porter)? Seems most likely IF Stokes is accommodated (he does still face an ECB disciplinary tribunal). Spinners rarely have much of a say at TB anyway.

Or drop Buttler, and retain Rashid? Means the non-specialist batsman start at 6, but when 6-9 are Stokes, Woakes, Curran, Rashid that is still a really strong batting line up.

Or drop Buttler, but replace Rashid with Moeen as the spin option who can bat at 4 or 5.

Will be interesting.
 


GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
46,715
Gloucester
This is what I don't get.

It took almost a year, a week of trial and Stokes omission from the Ashes.

Was found not guilty after a morning.

Why did the CPS bother?
Yes, put like that, it is a bit of a disgrace - and a huge waste of tax-payers money. Almost a year's work by the CPS, plus a week in court (have you any idea how much a top barrister gets per hour, never mind a week? Judges don't come cheap either!) and it's kicked out by a jury in two and a half hours!
A quick charge of something - breach of the peace, causing a disturbance, common assault, whatever - Magistrate's Court next morning, fined a few hundred quid, job done!
 




LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
Tough selection call.

Woakes can't be left out after last weekend's heroics. Sam Curran has had two excellent Tests and it would send entirely the wrong signal to stand him down, just as he's getting going. Broad bowled brilliantly on Sunday, and is always good on his home pitch at Trent Bridge, and Sir Jimmy is an absolute genius.

Yet Stokes' will to win, was absolutely instrumental in the previous victory.

Leave Adil Rashid out? (along with Moeen and Porter)? Seems most likely IF Stokes is accommodated (he does still face an ECB disciplinary tribunal). Spinners rarely have much of a say at TB anyway.

Or drop Buttler, and retain Rashid? Means the non-specialist batsman start at 6, but when 6-9 are Stokes, Woakes, Curran, Rashid that is still a really strong batting line up.

Or drop Buttler, but replace Rashid with Moeen as the spin option who can bat at 4 or 5.

Will be interesting.
Or move YJB up to 4 and drop Pope? Harsh but could happen.
 






ManOfSussex

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Apr 11, 2016
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Rape of Hastings, Sussex
As for GBH (or ABH or even common assault), "acting in defence of another" is a perfectly reasonable reason for clumping someone. However, once they no longer represent a threat, then you can be done, so no wading in when they're on the floor.

When I was 20 and had just moved back to Hastings from Brighton and CCTV was in it's infancy, I was randomly attacked by someone drugged up upon leaving a nightclub in Hastings town centre. As I remember it, CCTV in Sussex then was operated from a site in Eastbourne who saw it and alerted whatever Sussex Police were on duty who, less than 2 minutes after I'd picked myself off the ground afterwards, found me. They obviously knew who did it/was known to them, had seen him in Hastings town centre themselves and were confident they would identify him from the CCTV footage and got me to provide details. I did what the police wanted and gave a statement and he was arrested and cautioned for common assault and it went on his record etc. After he'd been released I was informed of his previous misdemeanours too. He was jailed some months later I read for aggravated burglary and GBH if I recall correctly. Anyway I always remember in my statement to the police though I had to include the phrase: 'He did not have permission to assault me' as it was was random as he wasn't acting in defence of another/I hadn't engaged him.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Goldstone
The whole aspect of "would I have felt threatened" does seem to give a large amount of scope for people to be acquitted of affray. I'm not going to feel personally threatened if two or more blokes are knocking seven bells out of each other, because I'm not involved, they're not coming after me or threatening me. They're caught up in their own spat or argument. Sure I'd stay out of the way, but I wouldn't be thinking "oh shit, I hope he doesn't come after me".

Its a bit of a strange way of looking at it, and must lead to a lot of acquittals if thats the way we, as jurors, must frame our way of thinking.
Indeed. A confusing state for us all.

Maybe a legal expert can pop in an educate us further at some point.

Were the bookies really offering odds on the outcome of this? If so, I assume you used your knowledge to clean up.
 




hans kraay fan club

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Or move YJB up to 4 and drop Pope? Harsh but could happen.

It could, but Bairstow is doing fine where he is, and they do seem to be keen to give the newer players a fair crack. Pope looked okay in his one innings too.

They could even ask YJB to open (he's done it for Yorkshire?) and drop Jennings (or even Cook...)
 


LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
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It could, but Bairstow is doing fine where he is, and they do seem to be keen to give the newer players a fair crack. Pope looked okay in his one innings too.

They could even ask YJB to open (he's done it for Yorkshire?) and drop Jennings (or even Cook...)
They were on about keeping and batting 4 being too much so I can't see him opening unless they give the gloves to Buttler (and I'm pretty sure Bairstow won't want to give them up). Anyway, it's a nice headache to have but I'm glad I'm not a selector.
 


Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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Indeed. A confusing state for us all.

Maybe a legal expert can pop in an educate us further at some point.

Were the bookies really offering odds on the outcome of this? If so, I assume you used your knowledge to clean up.

I didn't notice a market for it tbh, can they even do that ? Wouldn't have even occurred to me.
 






hans kraay fan club

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Mar 16, 2005
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It could, but Bairstow is doing fine where he is, and they do seem to be keen to give the newer players a fair crack. Pope looked okay in his one innings too.

They could even ask YJB to open (he's done it for Yorkshire?) and drop Jennings (or even Cook...)

They were on about keeping and batting 4 being too much so I can't see him opening unless they give the gloves to Buttler (and I'm pretty sure Bairstow won't want to give them up). Anyway, it's a nice headache to have but I'm glad I'm not a selector.

What about Bairstow opening with Cook problem solved.

As above
 








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Bairstow to open and Buttler to get the gloves.is a consideration

Stokes deserves a shot with the gloves now:

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Just goes to show you shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Especially publicly, on the internet


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Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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What a waste of time.

What should have had happened was magistrates court in the autumn, a fine for breach of the peace, banned for first two ashes tests, grovelling public apology, everyone gets on with their lives.

Instead we get this long-winded drawn out saga in which, once the charge of affray has been comfortably explained, its obvious he'd be not guilty. Plus we now have to go through the EBC or MCC or whatever disciplinary hearing.
 




LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
What a waste of time.

What should have had happened was magistrates court in the autumn, a fine for breach of the peace, banned for first two ashes tests, grovelling public apology, everyone gets on with their lives.

Instead we get this long-winded drawn out saga in which, once the charge of affray has been comfortably explained, its obvious he'd be not guilty. Plus we now have to go through the EBC or MCC or whatever disciplinary hearing.
Indeed. And the blame lies with the CPS.
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,336
Uffern
Yes, put like that, it is a bit of a disgrace - and a huge waste of tax-payers money. Almost a year's work by the CPS, plus a week in court (have you any idea how much a top barrister gets per hour,

CPS barristers are not top of the pay scale. The ex Mrs Gwylan did a stint as a barrister for the CPS and I can say that you wouldn't be buying many meals at Le Gavroche with what she was on - Pizza Express maybe.
 


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