Rosenior Blog - The Guardian

BensGrandad · Sep 22, 2017

I once read that The Sun is read by many more than its daily circulation because many buy it on their way to work to read on the way or during their tea break and either leave it or throw it away and it is picked up and read by many more. I think that there is a lot of snobbery attached to reading papers.

Machiavelli · Sep 22, 2017

Buzzer said:
I think you know the answer to that! I quite like reading The Spectator but then again I don't mind The New Statesman as and when I find a copy to read. I used to read the Telegraph but fell out of love with it years and years ago.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. The Guardian is extremely high profile, well-known and with lots of columnists who pop up very frequently on political radio and TV shows. The Independent too has always been moderately left-wing. Tabloid-wise there's the Daily Mirror still going strong and on TV, Channel 4 news is pretty unashamedly left of centre (not a criticism by the way, just an observation). Online, there's plenty with, I guess, Huff Post the obvious one that comes to mind.

The prejudices from memory include Polly Toynbee, and you've just admitted that snobbery is in there. Generalised anti-establishment and particularly -police and -military is certainly in there too. But others? (On this, I have a very different understanding of socialism and capitalism to you, and favour a mixed economy with a reduced role for the financial sector).
My prejudices follow from opposition to the principles I hold dear: equality, democracy and inclusivity, but we can agree we're both prejudiced. Mine might also tip over into (the vast majority of) 80s music, just to disappoint you.

Agree completely about C4 News, but that's not part of the press, I hope we can agree. C4 News is far and away the best broadcast news programme in this country for me, and is much stronger than others on international news.

Hotchilidog · Sep 22, 2017

An interesting insight into both Liam and the rest of the team. It's reassuring to read how much they care, and how they also realise that you cannot give an inch in this division.

DavidinSouthampton · Sep 22, 2017

BensGrandad said:
I once read that The Sun is read by many more than its daily circulation because many buy it on their way to work to read on the way or during their tea break and either leave it or throw it away and it is picked up and read by many more. I think that there is a lot of snobbery attached to reading papers.

It may be snobbery for some people, but for me it's down to what the individual wants out of a paper.

If you want to read a paper which says something relatively balanced and informed about what's going on in the world, there are not that many around. The Guardian, the Independent (or whatever it calls itself these days), The Times or the Telegraph, with various degrees of bias in various directions.

If you want to read something which will give you a highly jaundiced view of the world through right-wing/conservative/UKIP spectacles you have the Mail or the Express.

If you want something vaguely entertaining you have the Star, the Mirror or the Sun. I don't think anybody would read any of these expecting them to help formulate a balanced world view.

Easy 10 · Sep 22, 2017

BensGrandad said:
I once read that The Sun is read by many more than its daily circulation because many buy it on their way to work to read on the way or during their tea break and either leave it or throw it away and it is picked up and read by many more. I think that there is a lot of snobbery attached to reading papers.

Depends what you want from your paper I suppose. If you want pages and pages of tits, pics of drunken slebs stumbling out of clubs, stories about carrots that look like Jesus, reams of made-up, fictional stories with quotes from "a friend" and "a reliable source", offers to collect 15 tokens to get a free voucher for Greggs, stories about stories in soap operas, holidays to Slough for a fiver, recurring headlines with desperately repetitive weak puns in them ("ROO BEAUTY!" "IT'S ALL ABOUT ROO!"), and Dear Deirdre, then the The Sun's your go-to.

Actually, I had a flick through one the other night in the chippy and I quite like all those made-up letters in Dear Deirdre, they're worth a snigger. Along with the ever-cheesy Photo Casebook, with a girl in her undies staring thoughtfully into the middle-distance, chin resting on knuckles, with a speech bubble saying "He slept with my aunt but I still have feelings for him, maybe he'll change...."

So its not ALL bad I suppose.

Napper · Sep 22, 2017

Buzzer said:
I think you know the answer to that! I quite like reading The Spectator but then again I don't mind The New Statesman as and when I find a copy to read. I used to read the Telegraph but fell out of love with it years and years ago.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. The Guardian is extremely high profile, well-known and with lots of columnists who pop up very frequently on political radio and TV shows. The Independent too has always been moderately left-wing. Tabloid-wise there's the Daily Mirror still going strong and on TV, Channel 4 news is pretty unashamedly left of centre (not a criticism by the way, just an observation). Online, there's plenty with, I guess, Huff Post the obvious one that comes to mind.

Al this doesn't trump the rest of the media and particularly the bbc though

perseus · Sep 22, 2017

Well written article

The Large One · Sep 22, 2017

*Gullsworth* said:
Or maybe the same person? Anyone seen TLO and LR in the same room? Who is who's Ghostwriter?

We both have. But there were no independent witnesses.

Bold Seagull · Sep 22, 2017

BensGrandad said:
I once read that The Sun is read by many more than its daily circulation because many buy it on their way to work to read on the way or during their tea break and either leave it or throw it away and it is picked up and read by many more. I think that there is a lot of snobbery attached to reading papers.

Or common decency in not reading anything that would choose to violate the dead, phone tap and hack dead children's phones etc.. You might call that snobbery I guess.

The Large One · Sep 22, 2017

As much as I disagree with the political views of the likes of the Mail and the Telegraph, and wince at some of the stuff found in the Guardian, their sports sections bear little relevance to their political masters' views - and as a result, each of them has something to commend.

Paul Hayward, for example, is chief sports writer at the Telegraph, and no-one could accuse him of being a staunch (or even mildly sympathetic) Tory.

Gazwag · Sep 22, 2017

BensGrandad said:
Far more people read that other 'shitrag' as you call it.

Usually stupid thick sheep

Raphael Meade · Sep 22, 2017

Buzzer said:
Another player who has come here relatively late in his career but embraced the club, the fans and the ethos of the club. And quite clearly a thoughtful and erudite chap.

Proud to have him play for us and others have said, I hope he stays here when he hangs up his boots.

I can't really put it better than that. Spot on.

sams dad · Sep 22, 2017

It's a good job that I am not easily offended, as on this thread, l've been called a stupid dim witted thick sheep with the reading ability of a 12 year old.

Perhaps someone should have a word with Glenn Murray ( " the players player" ) as he now writes a column in " that shitrag".

crookie · Sep 22, 2017

sams dad said:
It's a good job that I am not easily offended, as on this thread, l've been called a stupid dim witted thick sheep with the reading ability of a 12 year old.
Perhaps someone should have a word with Glenn Murray ( " the players player" ) as he now writes a column in " that shitrag".

You'll be forgiven if all you read is the sports pages and do the Sudoku

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Wozza · Sep 22, 2017

McTavish said:
Not necessarily true. The Guardian is the tenth most popular on-line news site in the world and second only to the Mail Online in the UK. It has 42 million unique visitors each month which certainly compares favourably to the Sun's circulation of 1.6 million.

More than one person will read each copy of the Sun and the Sun also has a significant (but much smaller) online presence and only a fairly small proportion of the 42 million will read Rosenior's article but it is certainly not as straightforward as saying "the Sun sells more papers and so more people will read articles in the Sun than the Guardian."

Not sure why you'd compare The Guardian's global online reach with The Sun's UK paper sales?

Just looked up the figures. The Sun Online was read by 27.6m unique visitors in August. The Guardian online was on 22.7m. Source: Comscore; UK audience only.

Further reading: http://www.thedrum.com/opinion/2017...e-van-man-the-suns-biggest-audience-now-women

McTavish · Sep 22, 2017

Wozza said:
Not sure why you'd compare The Guardian's global online reach with The Sun's UK paper sales?

Just looked up the figures. The Sun Online was read by 27.6m unique visitors in August. The Guardian online was on 22.7m. Source: Comscore; UK audience only.

Further reading: http://www.thedrum.com/opinion/2017...e-van-man-the-suns-biggest-audience-now-women

The claim by BG was that "far more people" would read Rosenior's article in the Sun then they would in the Guardian based on the fact that the Sun has far greater physical sales than the Guardian.

All I was saying is that it is not quite that simple...as you demonstrate by using UK only figures. Newswork records 28,807,000 unique monthly readers accross all platforms (including print) for the Sun and 24,177,000 for the Guardian (so not much difference) but these are UK only figures. Worldwide, the Guardian has 42 million unique readers per month (as of July 2017) - I can't find the Sun's global figures but I believe that it is not much more than its UK figure so potentially (but not necessarily) more people will read an article in the Guardian than in the Sun.

It is almost impossible to say whether more people will read the article in the Guardian than if it had been in the Sun but I think it is fair to say that it is certainly not as straightforward as "The Sun sells ten times as many papers per day as the Guardian so ten times as many people will read a Sun article."

Johnny RoastBeef · Sep 22, 2017

The written press needs to be regulated by a legal ombudsman, something akin to Ofcom, which is backed by law, until then all newspapers are allowed to say and do pretty much what they want. Self regulation is madness. If you want truthful news avoid newspapers.

Ask yourselves why the most powerful businessmen in history have all been media moguls and why politicians allow them to carry on unchecked, even after abuses such as the phone hacking scandal?

Yes there are good written journalists who do excellent investagive work, but they are held back by editors working for owners that have an agenda and spin the truth to suit.

Wozza · Sep 22, 2017

McTavish said:
so potentially (but not necessarily) more people will read an article in the Guardian than in the Sun

Obviously depends on the article/subject but yes, it's probably safe to assume a football column would be read by more users on The Guardian.

JC Footy Genius · Sep 22, 2017

Wozza said:
Obviously depends on the article/subject but yes, it's probably safe to assume a football column would be read by more users on The Guardian.

Nonsense I would think a much bigger proportion of Sun readers read it for the sport and are salt of the earth, working class, white van man, hardcore football supporters whereas Guardian readers buy it to reinforce their misplaced superiority complex and could be reasonably categorised as prawn sandwich/muesli munching JCL's. :angel:

Bold Seagull · Sep 22, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Nonsense I would think a much bigger proportion of Sun readers read it for the sport and are salt of the earth, working class, white van man, hardcore football supporters whereas Guardian readers buy it to reinforce their misplaced superiority complex and could be reasonably categorised as prawn sandwich/muesli munching JCL's.

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