[Albion] LoyaltyPointGate - discussion with the club

chaileyjem · Sep 24, 2017

Blue Valkyrie said:
Good point to highlight that the 600 harvesters came from the alledged 'most loyal' groups of albion fans.
If it was 600 'low loyalty' fans then perhaps the definition of loyalty would ring true.
The scheme is fundamentally flawed.

Barber in his interview today with Albion Roar said the 596 actually came equally from all groups. Other things he shared.
via : http://www.albionroar.co.uk/

- 596 no shows, 330 of those were from the top tier of the scheme, 266 of those from the mid - lower tiers.
- The premier league no show average rate for club/league games is between 5%-12%
- Over 95% turned up at Leicester and at Watford. and 98% turned up at the Bournemouth league game. It was 80% for the Barnet cup game. (in the past the Albion have had "up to 20% no shows for league games" says PB
- The Board are going to consider various changes (he cited ...checks at games, adding points my be delayed)
- A very small number of people who didn't attend both Barnet and Bournemouth cup games.
- They do have the data of who had tickets and didn't attend all this years away games at ticket holder level.
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Everest · Sep 24, 2017

ropey9 said:
Isn't that the minimum, rather than a cap?

Yep.

Minimum of 3000 or 10% whichever is the lowest.

dazzer6666 · Sep 24, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
The club might have ****ed up but that doesn't take away from the fact that 600 of the supposedly most loyal fans didn't turn up and played the system just so they could guarantee their ticket for Old Trafford, Wembley, Emirates, etc., where's the loyalty in that?

Agreed.....but the **** up is the points allocation for a cheap game. If the game had been a zero-pointer the problem wouldn't have arisen. Simple.

Arkwright · Sep 24, 2017

PILTDOWN MAN said:
Who's ect?

Etc I get.

Dullard!

darkwolf666 · Sep 24, 2017

chaileyjem said:
Barber in his interview today with Albion Roar said the 596 actually came equally from all groups. Other things he shared.
via : http://www.albionroar.co.uk/

- 596 no shows, 330 of those were from the top tier of the scheme, 266 of those from the mid - lower tiers.
- The premier league no show average rate for club/league games is between 5%-12%
- Over 95% turned up at Leicester and at Watford. and 98% turned up at the Bournemouth league game. It was 80% for the Barnet cup game. (in the past the Albion have had "up to 20% no shows for league games" says PB
- The Board are going to consider various changes (he cited ...checks at games, adding points my be delayed)
- A very small number of people who didn't attend both Barnet and Bournemouth cup games.
- They do have the data of who had tickets and didn't attend all this years away games at ticket holder level.
-

So 55% of the no shows came from the elite most loyal fans then! Disgraceful.

Hampster Gull · Sep 24, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
So 55% of the no shows came from the elite most loyal fans then! Disgraceful.

Vote Labour, they will sort it

dazzer6666 · Sep 24, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
So 55% of the no shows came from the elite most loyal fans then! Disgraceful.

We knew that.........because they are the only ones who could have bought tickets...................?

PILTDOWN MAN · Sep 24, 2017

Arkwright said:
Dullard!

Who? You?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_cetera

Not my fault you can't abbreviate.

darkwolf666 · Sep 24, 2017

dazzer6666 said:
We knew that.........because they are the only ones who could have bought tickets...................?

No, the top level die hard "loyal" fans were the biggest culprits, those with the most points playing the system and perpetuating their "right" to tickets while at the same time taking away the rights of those less fortunate - as I said, disgraceful.

sully · Sep 24, 2017

ropey9 said:
Isn't that the minimum, rather than a cap?

It's not up to the Albion to tell other clubs they must give us more than they have to :facepalm:

dazzer6666 · Sep 24, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
No, the top level die hard "loyal" fans were the biggest culprits, those with the most points playing the system and perpetuating their "right" to tickets while at the same time taking away the rights of those less fortunate - as I said, disgraceful.

Agreed......

sully · Sep 24, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
No, the top level die hard "loyal" fans were the biggest culprits, those with the most points playing the system and perpetuating their "right" to tickets while at the same time taking away the rights of those less fortunate - as I said, disgraceful.

Spot on. That's why those responsible need to be reprimanded.

studio150 · Sep 25, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
So 55% of the no shows came from the elite most loyal fans then! Disgraceful.

There should be more of a deeper delve into these figures.
Unless the club are willing to release more data we won't know with total certainty but I would suggest that virtually all if the 55% are close to the cut off between release 1 and 2 on away allocation and were looking to maintain their position.
The more loyal fans if you want to call them that with 400+ tickets would have brought tickets for both games at Bournemouth and attended both games.

I would suggest that future away games coukd be released along the lines of phase 1 375+ phase 2 200+. This way while phase 2 becomes more of a scramble it does ensure that those that go to virtually all games still have the opportunity to secure tickets.

darkwolf666 · Sep 25, 2017

studio150 said:
There should be more of a deeper delve into these figures.
Unless the club are willing to release more data we won't know with total certainty but I would suggest that virtually all if the 55% are close to the cut off between release 1 and 2 on away allocation and were looking to maintain their position.
The more loyal fans if you want to call them that with 400+ tickets would have brought tickets for both games at Bournemouth and attended both games.

I would suggest that future away games coukd be released along the lines of phase 1 375+ phase 2 200+. This way while phase 2 becomes more of a scramble it does ensure that those that go to virtually all games still have the opportunity to secure tickets.

That is a massive assumption on your part and even if you are correct doesn't alter the fact that some of the most "loyal" fans felt it OK to sh1t on some of the less able fans...

Is it PotG? · Sep 25, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
No, the top level die hard "loyal" fans were the biggest culprits, those with the most points playing the system and perpetuating their "right" to tickets while at the same time taking away the rights of those less fortunate - as I said, disgraceful.

Where is the proof of this? I would guess my points tally is well above the average and I did not enter into such shenanigans. I went to the League game, was unable to make the Cup match and didn't buy a ticket.

Blue Valkyrie · Sep 25, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
So 55% of the no shows came from the elite most loyal fans then! Disgraceful.

Not exactly 'loyal'.

The system needs a shake up.

Bring back the Away Membership Scheme for those that bought it 'for life' and open the doors to new members ?

One Teddy Maybank · Sep 25, 2017

Blue Valkyrie said:
Not exactly 'loyal'.

The system needs a shake up.

Bring back the Away Membership Scheme for those that bought it 'for life' and open the doors to new members ?

Would that be like the promise to 1901 members to get them to join?

I actually like the current system, just think the Bournemouth points should be removed for those dates that didn't attend.

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Beach Hut · Sep 25, 2017

Blue Valkyrie said:
Not exactly 'loyal'.

The system needs a shake up.

Bring back the Away Membership Scheme for those that bought it 'for life' and open the doors to new members ?

That got abandoned after the West Ham Cup Game cock up and quite rightly to

darkwolf666 · Sep 25, 2017

Is it PotG? said:
Where is the proof of this? I would guess my points tally is well above the average and I did not enter into such shenanigans. I went to the League game, was unable to make the Cup match and didn't buy a ticket.

The proof was in the data as posted by Bozza, which indicated the top loyalty points owners were the biggest category of no shows.

You didn't stoop to the level of others in this category but unfortunately others did and inadvertently you all get tarred with the same brush - bit like all people who claim benefit are scroungers...

BBassic · Sep 25, 2017

Simple solution is to only add the loyalty points if the ticket is used / scanned at the turnstile.

I say 'simple' but it would require club resources which, I imagine, would be foisted onto us in the form of ST price increases.

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